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Patrick Coffin interviews Dr. Mazza on the invalidity of Pope Benedict  XVI's Resignation | From Rome

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Dr. Edmund Mazza:

I’ll tell you Patrick, I tried to get my article on this published by a prominent editor in a prominent Catholic journal whose names I will not name. But I got an email back telling me that people who are thinking along these lines are leading people out of the church, and he didn’t use the word “schism,” but that was the implication. And so I just want to clear that up.

And first, I’ll say two things. The first one is that I think people are leaving the church already, and going into schism because they think Francis is Pope. Because they think that he’s a monster Pope, that’s destroying the church and teaching things that are not Catholic. That all religions, that God wills, all religions, for example, as in the Abu Dhabi declaration, which on the face of it is heresy.

I’ll give you an example who I think is the poster boy of this, Sean Hannity, Right? From Fox News, the conservative commentator, He left the Catholic faith. I think it’s probably the catalyst that pushed him over the edge was having a Marxist Pope; thinking that Francesco is running the show here.

So I would differ. I talk sometimes with Ann Barhardt, she says her inbox is flooded with people who thank her for looking into this subject, because it’s keeping them in the church rather than encouraging them to leave the church.

And the second thing that I would want to say is that technically, if you look at the statements of the different saints and scholars on the subject, just because you suspect the Pope might not be the Pope, doesn’t put you into a schism.

Patrick Coffin:

Or Sedevacantism.

Dr. Edmund Mazza:

Or a Sedevacantism, that’s another thing they call you a sedevacantist. But I got two quick quotes here. Here is one from Saint Cardinal Thomas Cajetan, whose feast day we celebrated back on August 7th. He wrote a multi-volume commentary on the Suma Theologica. And this is what Saint Cajetan says, “If someone for a reasonable motive holds the person of the Pope in suspicion and refuses his presence, even his jurisdiction, he does not commit the delict of schism, nor any other whatsoever, provided that he’d be ready to accept the Pope were he not held in suspicion. It goes without saying that one has the right to avoid what is harmful and to ward off dangers. In fact, it may happen that the Pope could govern tyrannically, and that is all the easier as he is the more powerful and does not fear any punishment from anyone on earth.”

And the second quote is from, back before Vatican II, the most respected commentary on Canon aw was an eight volume set by Francis Xavier Wernz and Peter Vidal. And this is what they wrote in volume seven of their commentary on Canon Law. “Finally, they cannot be numbered among the schismatics who refuse to obey the Roman pontiff because they consider his person to be suspect or doubtfully elected on account of rumors in circulation.” I think we have a lot more than rumor to go on here. - PCM interview transcribed by The Catholic Monitor

In a PCM interview transcribed by The Catholic Monitor, Catholic historian Edmund Mazza said "I talk sometimes with Ann Barnhardt, she says her inbox is flooded with people who thank her for looking into this subject, because it’s keeping them in the church rather than encouraging them to leave the church":

Patrick Coffin:

Yeah, I agree in full. Francis has twice in my mental accounting, alluded to the possibility of his own resignation. And now there’s rumors swirling that there’ll be some kind of meeting in November with the cardinals, after which he will publicly resign. That’s the rumor. Often in the Roman sphere, Rome’s fuel is almost rumors, right? That’s the wind beneath its PR wings, is rumor. But many of the previous rumors about the disastrous Synod on the family, those rumors turned out to be true.

 

 The rumor that Pachamama would be enthroned, that turned out to be true. The rumor that the Argentine bishops in their “Attaboy, double thumbs up” letter in response to the question of whether or not divorced and remarried Catholics, that did not have a decree of nullity, could receive Holy Communion. That wasn’t only approved by Francis, but elevated into the AAS, the Acta Apostolicae Sedis, which is a kind of vault of official magisterial teaching. That’s a big neon flashing problem to me. That, that error can be enthroned into what we’ve traditionally seen as official Catholic teaching. This is why thoughts like ours this conversation, your research have arisen.

 

Dr. Edmund Mazza:

I’ll tell you Patrick, I tried to get my article on this published by a prominent editor in a prominent Catholic journal whose names I will not name. But I got an email back telling me that people who are thinking along these lines are leading people out of the church, and he didn’t use the word “schism,” but that was the implication. And so I just want to clear that up.

           

And first, I’ll say two things. The first one is that I think people are leaving the church already, and going into schism because they think Francis is Pope. Because they think that he’s a monster Pope, that’s destroying the church and teaching things that are not Catholic. That all religions, that God wills, all religions, for example, as in the Abu Dhabi declaration, which on the face of it is heresy.

 

I’ll give you an example who I think is the poster boy of this, Sean Hannity, Right? From Fox News, the conservative commentator, He left the Catholic faith. I think it’s probably the catalyst that pushed him over the edge was having a Marxist Pope; thinking that Francesco is running the show here.

 

So I would differ. I talk sometimes with Ann Barnhardt, she says her inbox is flooded with people who thank her for looking into this subject, because it’s keeping them in the church rather than encouraging them to leave the church.

 

And the second thing that I would want to say is that technically, if you look at the statements of the different saints and scholars on the subject, just because you suspect the Pope might not be the Pope, doesn’t put you into a schism.

 

Patrick Coffin:

Or Sedevacantism.

 

Dr. Edmund Mazza:

Or a Sedevacantism, that’s another thing they call you a sedevacantist. But I got two quick quotes here. Here is one from Saint Cardinal Thomas Cajetan, whose feast day we celebrated back on August 7th. He wrote a multi-volume commentary on the Suma Theologica. And this is what Saint Cajetan says, “If someone for a reasonable motive holds the person of the Pope in suspicion and refuses his presence, even his jurisdiction, he does not commit the delict of schism, nor any other whatsoever, provided that he’d be ready to accept the Pope were he not held in suspicion. It goes without saying that one has the right to avoid what is harmful and to ward off dangers. In fact, it may happen that the Pope could govern tyrannically, and that is all the easier as he is the more powerful and does not fear any punishment from anyone on earth.”

 

And the second quote is from, back before Vatican II, the most respected commentary on Canon aw was an eight volume set by Francis Xavier Wernz and Peter Vidal. And this is what they wrote in volume seven of their commentary on Canon Law. “Finally, they cannot be numbered among the schismatics who refuse to obey the Roman pontiff because they consider his person to be suspect or doubtfully elected on account of rumors in circulation.” I think we have a lot more than rumor to go on here. [https://www.thecatholicmonitor.com/2021/10/part-4-of-exclusive-transcription-is.html]

Pray an Our Father now for reparation for the sins committed because of Francis's Amoris Laetitia.

Pray an Our Father now for the restoration of the Church as well as the Triumph of the Kingdom of the Sacred Heart and the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

Stop for a moment of silence, ask Jesus Christ what He wants you to do now and next. In this silence remember God, Father, Son and Holy Ghost - Three Divine Persons yet One God, has an ordered universe where you can know truth and falsehood as well as never forget that He wants you to have eternal happiness with Him as his son or daughter by grace. Make this a practice. By doing this you are doing more good than reading anything here or anywhere else on the Internet.

Francis Notes:

- Doctor of the Church St. Francis de Sales totally confirmed beyond any doubt the possibility of a heretical pope and what must be done by the Church in such a situation:

"[T]he Pope... WHEN he is EXPLICITLY a heretic, he falls ipso facto from his dignity and out of the Church, and the Church MUST either deprive him, or, as some say, declare him deprived, of his Apostolic See."
(The Catholic Controversy, by St. Francis de Sales, Pages 305-306)


Saint Robert Bellarmine, also, said "the Pope heretic is not deposed ipso facto, but must be declared deposed by the Church."
[https://archive.org/stream/SilveiraImplicationsOfNewMissaeAndHereticPopes/Silveira%20Implications%20of%20New%20Missae%20and%20Heretic%20Popes_djvu.txt]

- "If Francis is a Heretic, What should Canonically happen to him?": http://www.thecatholicmonitor.com/2020/12/if-francis-is-heretic-what-should.html

- "Could Francis be a Antipope even though the Majority of Cardinals claim he is Pope?": http://www.thecatholicmonitor.com/2019/03/could-francis-be-antipope-even-though.html

- If Francis betrays Benedict XVI & the"Roman Rite Communities" like he betrayed the Chinese Catholics we must respond like St. Athanasius, the Saintly English Bishop Robert Grosseteste & "Eminent Canonists and Theologians" by "Resist[ing]" him: https://www.thecatholicmonitor.com/2021/12/if-francis-betrays-benedict-xvi.html 

 -  LifeSiteNews, "Confusion explodes as Pope Francis throws magisterial weight behind communion for adulterers," December 4, 2017:

The AAS guidelines explicitly allows "sexually active adulterous couples facing 'complex circumstances' to 'access the sacraments of Reconciliation and the Eucharist.'"

-  On February 2018, in Rorate Caeli, Catholic theologian Dr. John Lamont:

"The AAS statement... establishes that Pope Francis in Amoris Laetitia has affirmed propositions that are heretical in the strict sense."

- On December 2, 2017, Bishop Rene Gracida:

"Francis' heterodoxy is now official. He has published his letter to the Argentina bishops in Acta Apostlica Series making those letters magisterial documents."

Pray an Our Father now for the restoration of the Church by the bishops by the grace of God.

Election Notes:  

- Intel Cryptanalyst-Mathematician on Biden Steal: "212Million Registered Voters & 66.2% Voting,140.344 M Voted...Trump got 74 M, that leaves only 66.344 M for Biden" [http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2020/12/intel-cryptanalyst-mathematician-on.html?m=1]

- Will US be Venezuela?: Ex-CIA Official told Epoch Times "Chávez started to Focus on [Smartmatic] Voting Machines to Ensure Victory as early as 2003": http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2020/12/will-us-be-venezuela-ex-cia-official.html

- Tucker Carlson's Conservatism Inc. Biden Steal Betrayal is explained by “One of the Greatest Columns ever Written" according to Rush: http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2021/01/tucker-carlsons-conservatism-inc-biden.html?m=1
 
- A Hour which will Live in Infamy: 10:01pm November 3, 2020:
http://www.thecatholicmonitor.com/2021/01/a-hour-which-will-live-in-infamy-1001pm.html?m=1
 
What is needed right now to save America from those who would destroy our God given rights is to pray at home or in church and if called to even go to outdoor prayer rallies in every town and city across the United States for God to pour out His grace on our country to save us from those who would use a Reichstag Fire-like incident to destroy our civil liberties. [Is the DC Capitol Incident Comparable to the Nazi Reichstag Fire Incident where the German People Lost their Civil Liberties?: http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2021/01/is-dc-capital-incident-comparable-to.html?m=1 and Epoch Times Show Crossroads on Capitol Incident: "Anitfa 'Agent Provocateurs'":
http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2021/01/epoch-times-show-crossroads-on-capital.html?m=1

Pray an Our Father now for the grace to know God's Will and to do it.
 
Pray an Our Father now for America.
 
Pray an Our Father now for the restoration of the Church as well as the Triumph of the Kingdom of the Sacred Heart and the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

 

Comments

Aqua said…
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Anonymous said…
@Fred you can keep removing comments but the truth is that Dr. Mazza keeps promoting his courses anytime that he's out there promoting Benedict is Pope.
Aqua said…
Anonymous: it’s just rude, what you said. The man was fired.

But, now a wider audience gets to learn from a really skilled teacher on interesting topics in the Faith, so perhaps it will work out for the best.

Fred Martinez said…
@Anonymous 3:28

If Aqua hadn't answered you I was going to continue to delete you because you are a nauseating sick troll (and if it is possible maybe even a bot) who keeps posting apparent slightly different copy and paste propaganda (just possibly for money since that seems to be a big issue with you and you seem to have a lot of time on your hands). You are a slanderer and a jeering denigrator since you don't know all that Mr. Mazza has sacrificed to attempt a HONEST DEBATE which you refuse to be part of. You are a despicable disgusting life form who apparently just crawled out from under a slimy rock. If Steve O'Reilly knows who you are then he needs to disown you or even if he doesn't know who you are then he still needs to disown you. If he doesn't disown you then I feel sorry for both you. If you are a Catholic then you need to go to confession.

Fred Martinez said…
I apologize for calling "You are a despicable disgusting life form who apparently just crawled out from under a slimy rock." You are a creature of God who is loved by Him and He wants only the good for you. I will be praying you, however I still stand by the following:

If Aqua hadn't answered you I was going to continue to delete you because you are a nauseating sick troll (and if it is possible maybe even a bot) who keeps posting apparent slightly different copy and paste propaganda (just possibly for money since that seems to be a big issue with you and you seem to have a lot of time on your hands). You are a slanderer and a jeering denigrator since you don't know all that Dr. Mazza has sacrificed to attempt a HONEST DEBATE which you refuse to be part of. If Steve O'Reilly knows who you are then he needs to disown you or even if he doesn't know who you are then he still needs to disown you. If he doesn't disown you then I feel sorry for both you. If you are a Catholic then you need to go to confession as do I.
Aqua said…
I think i understand the anger, Fred. Because you likely know Ed. Also, because he has been treated unjustly by colleagues in his chosen profession, in which he is really good, just because of his convictions and beliefs ... NOT because of shoddy work. He has instant voluminous recall of important and relevant facts, which is the hallmark of an excellent scholar. His course topics are interesting, practical and useful. And besides that ... he is obviously a kind man. And now he's out there trying to turn his skills into a living the hard way. And it's a struggle.

So, those of a certain inclination jump to the defense of someone like that - mostly because one is tired of the injustices done against good people, specifically this one - Ed Mazza. I enjoy listening to him, because I enjoy the skills of a good teacher. He doesn't use his knowledge to impress, but as tools in a toolkit, to be found, and then used when needed in the moment. Cool guy.
Thanks, Aqua.

Your hit it on the dot. God bless you for all you do. It is an honor to know Ed and you.I have been praying for the gentleman, but on the other hand any more mocking comments of his will be deleted as soon as I'm aware of them. I feel sorry for him and will pray for him, but I will have no more tolerance of such behavior.

In JMJ,

Fred
Aqua said…
Definitely a bot. Only a machine could say the same thing, over and over without ever getting tired of doing it.
Aqua said…
Anonymous said: “Last thing I'll say on this blog”
Ignatius said…
It most likely could have been a bot...I thank God that I grew up in the east...such a mess in the west.

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