Dr. Mazza: "Barnhardt... says her inbox is flooded with people who thank her...because it’s keeping them in the Church... [Wernz -Vidal] Commentary on Canon Law. “... they cannot be numbered among the Schismatics who refuse to obey the Roman Pontiff because they consider his person to be Suspect or Doubtfully Elected'"
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Dr. Edmund Mazza:
I’ll tell you Patrick, I tried to get my article on this published by a prominent editor in a prominent Catholic journal whose names I will not name. But I got an email back telling me that people who are thinking along these lines are leading people out of the church, and he didn’t use the word “schism,” but that was the implication. And so I just want to clear that up.
And first, I’ll say two things. The first one is that I think people are leaving the church already, and going into schism because they think Francis is Pope. Because they think that he’s a monster Pope, that’s destroying the church and teaching things that are not Catholic. That all religions, that God wills, all religions, for example, as in the Abu Dhabi declaration, which on the face of it is heresy.
I’ll give you an example who I think is the poster boy of this, Sean Hannity, Right? From Fox News, the conservative commentator, He left the Catholic faith. I think it’s probably the catalyst that pushed him over the edge was having a Marxist Pope; thinking that Francesco is running the show here.
So I would differ. I talk sometimes with Ann Barhardt, she says her inbox is flooded with people who thank her for looking into this subject, because it’s keeping them in the church rather than encouraging them to leave the church.
And the second thing that I would want to say is that technically, if you look at the statements of the different saints and scholars on the subject, just because you suspect the Pope might not be the Pope, doesn’t put you into a schism.
Patrick Coffin:
Or Sedevacantism.
Dr. Edmund Mazza:
Or a Sedevacantism, that’s another thing they call you a sedevacantist. But I got two quick quotes here. Here is one from Saint Cardinal Thomas Cajetan, whose feast day we celebrated back on August 7th. He wrote a multi-volume commentary on the Suma Theologica. And this is what Saint Cajetan says, “If someone for a reasonable motive holds the person of the Pope in suspicion and refuses his presence, even his jurisdiction, he does not commit the delict of schism, nor any other whatsoever, provided that he’d be ready to accept the Pope were he not held in suspicion. It goes without saying that one has the right to avoid what is harmful and to ward off dangers. In fact, it may happen that the Pope could govern tyrannically, and that is all the easier as he is the more powerful and does not fear any punishment from anyone on earth.”
And the second quote is from, back before Vatican II, the most respected commentary on Canon aw was an eight volume set by Francis Xavier Wernz and Peter Vidal. And this is what they wrote in volume seven of their commentary on Canon Law. “Finally, they cannot be numbered among the schismatics who refuse to obey the Roman pontiff because they consider his person to be suspect or doubtfully elected on account of rumors in circulation.” I think we have a lot more than rumor to go on here. - PCM interview transcribed by The Catholic Monitor
In a PCM interview transcribed by The Catholic Monitor, Catholic historian Edmund Mazza said "I talk sometimes with Ann Barnhardt, she says her inbox is flooded with people who thank her for looking into this subject, because it’s keeping them in the church rather than encouraging them to leave the church":
Patrick Coffin:
Yeah, I agree in full. Francis has twice in my mental accounting, alluded to the possibility of his own resignation. And now there’s rumors swirling that there’ll be some kind of meeting in November with the cardinals, after which he will publicly resign. That’s the rumor. Often in the Roman sphere, Rome’s fuel is almost rumors, right? That’s the wind beneath its PR wings, is rumor. But many of the previous rumors about the disastrous Synod on the family, those rumors turned out to be true.
The rumor that Pachamama would be enthroned, that turned out to be true. The rumor that the Argentine bishops in their “Attaboy, double thumbs up” letter in response to the question of whether or not divorced and remarried Catholics, that did not have a decree of nullity, could receive Holy Communion. That wasn’t only approved by Francis, but elevated into the AAS, the Acta Apostolicae Sedis, which is a kind of vault of official magisterial teaching. That’s a big neon flashing problem to me. That, that error can be enthroned into what we’ve traditionally seen as official Catholic teaching. This is why thoughts like ours this conversation, your research have arisen.
Dr. Edmund Mazza:
I’ll tell you Patrick, I tried to get my article on this published by a prominent editor in a prominent Catholic journal whose names I will not name. But I got an email back telling me that people who are thinking along these lines are leading people out of the church, and he didn’t use the word “schism,” but that was the implication. And so I just want to clear that up.
And first, I’ll say two things. The first one is that I think people are leaving the church already, and going into schism because they think Francis is Pope. Because they think that he’s a monster Pope, that’s destroying the church and teaching things that are not Catholic. That all religions, that God wills, all religions, for example, as in the Abu Dhabi declaration, which on the face of it is heresy.
I’ll give you an example who I think is the poster boy of this, Sean Hannity, Right? From Fox News, the conservative commentator, He left the Catholic faith. I think it’s probably the catalyst that pushed him over the edge was having a Marxist Pope; thinking that Francesco is running the show here.
So I would differ. I talk sometimes with Ann Barnhardt, she says her inbox is flooded with people who thank her for looking into this subject, because it’s keeping them in the church rather than encouraging them to leave the church.
And the second thing that I would want to say is that technically, if you look at the statements of the different saints and scholars on the subject, just because you suspect the Pope might not be the Pope, doesn’t put you into a schism.
Patrick Coffin:
Or Sedevacantism.
Dr. Edmund Mazza:
Or a Sedevacantism, that’s another thing they call you a sedevacantist. But I got two quick quotes here. Here is one from Saint Cardinal Thomas Cajetan, whose feast day we celebrated back on August 7th. He wrote a multi-volume commentary on the Suma Theologica. And this is what Saint Cajetan says, “If someone for a reasonable motive holds the person of the Pope in suspicion and refuses his presence, even his jurisdiction, he does not commit the delict of schism, nor any other whatsoever, provided that he’d be ready to accept the Pope were he not held in suspicion. It goes without saying that one has the right to avoid what is harmful and to ward off dangers. In fact, it may happen that the Pope could govern tyrannically, and that is all the easier as he is the more powerful and does not fear any punishment from anyone on earth.”
And
the second quote is from, back before Vatican II, the most respected
commentary on Canon aw was an eight volume set by Francis Xavier Wernz
and Peter Vidal. And this is what they wrote in volume seven of their
commentary on Canon Law. “Finally, they cannot be numbered among the
schismatics who refuse to obey the Roman pontiff because they consider
his person to be suspect or doubtfully elected on account of rumors in
circulation.” I think we have a lot more than rumor to go on here. [https://www.thecatholicmonitor.com/2021/10/part-4-of-exclusive-transcription-is.html]
Pray an Our Father now for reparation for the sins committed because of Francis's Amoris Laetitia.