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Does 1P5's Sammons "Abusive[ly] Fling... Devil-words like 'Heresy' and 'Schism'" & use Inane Straw Man Arguments?

 

The Magisterium does not teach the name of the pope. No one commits schism or heresy by holding a minority opinion on the identity of the pope. It's time to call out the Mottramists on their abusive flinging of devil-words like "heresy" and "schism." - Catholic commenter Fr. VF [http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2019/12/by-way-1p5-newman-st-athanasius.html?m=1 ]

In 2019, it appears the new head of One Peter Five, Eric Sammons, was implicitly accusing the Catholic resistance who question Francis's validly of schism:

Both heresy *and* schism are grave sins against the faith. The ardent supporters of Pope Francis often take heresy too lightly. The ardent critics of Pope Francis often take schism too lightly. It’s a difficult balancing act, but Catholics must do all they can to avoid both. [https://twitter.com/EricRSammons/status/1210553943178252288]

Latinist Br. Alexis Bugnolo responding wrote:

Sammons also does not know his theology well. For he says here

https://twitter.com/EricRSammons/status/1210553943178252288

That schism is a sin against the faith. But all who have ever read the Summa of Theology of Saint Thomas or any treatise on Schism know that it is a sin AGAINST CHARITY, A SIN AGAINST COMMUNION. Not a sin against faith. Both schismatics and those from whom they break might, theoretically, agree on all matters of doctrine and morals.

So if Mr. Sammons wants to look credible, he should at least read a tract on Schism written by a sound theology before tweeting inanities on Twitter.
[http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2019/12/by-way-1p5-newman-st-athanasius.html?m=1 ]

 Sammons needs to read some Catholic theology and history books.

The Arian heretics were saying the same thing as One Peter Five's Sammons was saying about the Catholic resistance about St. Athanasius. That he was in schism.

The historian Warren Carroll admitted that Pope Liberius excommunicated Athanasius which isn't an infallible papal action.
(EWTN.com, "Has any Pope been Guilty of Heresy")

(As an interesting note, in the article above the historian Carroll said "I deny that any Pope was ever a heretic." He wrote this before Francis)

The saint was resisting the Arian heretic bishops outside the papal approval.

Cardinal John Henry Newman said he ordained priests against the authority of the Arian heretical bishops (apparently outside papal approval since he was excommunicated).

Newman in his "The Development of Christian Doctrine" denied that Bishop Athanasius's "interference" in the dioceses of the heretical Arian bishops was schism:Schismatics

"If interference is a sin, division which is the cause of it is a greater; but where division is a duty, there can be no sin interference."
(Gutenberg.org, "An Essay on the Development of Christian Doctrine," Sixth Edition)

Are you saying that Doctor of the Church St. Athanasius was a schismatic?

Moreover, Mr. Sammons, please, stop using the following straw man argument against serious scholars who question the validity of the Francis papacy by saying "the underlying assumption is that Francis can't be the pope because Francis is a heretic":

Those who have come to the conclusion that Francis is not the pope generally fall into three camps:

  1. Pope Benedict XVI did not validly resign, so he is still pope.
  2. The election of Pope Francis was invalid for various reasons, so he was never elected pope, and there hasn’t been a pope since 2013.
  3. Francis was validly elected, but due to his embrace of heresy, he at some point lost the papal office, so there is currently no pope.
In all three views, however, the underlying assumption is that Francis can’t be the pope because Francis is a heretic and a pope can’t be a heretic. It might be easy to dismiss these views as the realm of kooks and conspiracy theorists. [https://onepeterfive.com/is-francis-the-pope/]

Yes, Mr. Sammons, we in the Catholic resistance and the 19 Scholar's Open Letter do say that Francis is apparently a material heretic, but that is not our "underlying assumption" as to why Francis's papacy may be invalid.

Please read and give serious arguments against Bishop Rene Gracida's Open Letter to the Cardinals analyzing and quoting Pope John Paul II's Universi Dominici Gregis calling for an investigation into the Francis conclave.

Please read and give serious arguments against Latin langauge expert Br. Bugnolo's in-depth thesis "Munus and Ministerium: A Textual Study of their Usage in the Code of Canon Law of 1983" using exhaustive quotations from canon law showing why canon law explicitly states that ministerium and munus cannot be synonyms that mean the exact same thing or nearly the same thing.

If you, Mr. Sammons, are not willing or too lazy to debate seriously then, please, at least stop making inane straw man arguments. 

If you believe there has never been an anti-pope in Catholic history and Francis is infallibly the pope despite not even apparently looking at the evidence, please, at least stop "abusive[ly] flinging... devil-words like 'heresy' and 'schism'" until you understand the theology behind those words.

Stop for a moment of silence, ask Jesus Christ what He wants you to do now and next. In this silence remember God, Father, Son and Holy Ghost - Three Divine Persons yet One God, has an ordered universe where you can know truth and falsehood as well as never forget that He wants you to have eternal happiness with Him as his son or daughter by grace. Make this a practice. By doing this you are doing more good than reading anything here or anywhere else on the Internet.

Francis Notes:

- Doctor of the Church St. Francis de Sales totally confirmed beyond any doubt the possibility of a heretical pope and what must be done by the Church in such a situation:

"[T]he Pope... WHEN he is EXPLICITLY a heretic, he falls ipso facto from his dignity and out of the Church, and the Church MUST either deprive him, or, as some say, declare him deprived, of his Apostolic See."
(The Catholic Controversy, by St. Francis de Sales, Pages 305-306)


Saint Robert Bellarmine, also, said "the Pope heretic is not deposed ipso facto, but must be declared deposed by the Church."
[https://archive.org/stream/SilveiraImplicationsOfNewMissaeAndHereticPopes/Silveira%20Implications%20of%20New%20Missae%20and%20Heretic%20Popes_djvu.txt]

- "If Francis is a Heretic, What should Canonically happen to him?": http://www.thecatholicmonitor.com/2020/12/if-francis-is-heretic-what-should.html

- "Could Francis be a Antipope even though the Majority of Cardinals claim he is Pope?": http://www.thecatholicmonitor.com/2019/03/could-francis-be-antipope-even-though.html

 -  LifeSiteNews, "Confusion explodes as Pope Francis throws magisterial weight behind communion for adulterers," December 4, 2017:

The AAS guidelines explicitly allows "sexually active adulterous couples facing 'complex circumstances' to 'access the sacraments of Reconciliation and the Eucharist.'"

-  On February 2018, in Rorate Caeli, Catholic theologian Dr. John Lamont:

"The AAS statement... establishes that Pope Francis in Amoris Laetitia has affirmed propositions that are heretical in the strict sense."

- On December 2, 2017, Bishop Rene Gracida:

"Francis' heterodoxy is now official. He has published his letter to the Argentina bishops in Acta Apostlica Series making those letters magisterial documents."

Pray an Our Father now for the restoration of the Church by the bishops by the grace of God.

Election Notes:  

- Intel Cryptanalyst-Mathematician on Biden Steal: "212Million Registered Voters & 66.2% Voting,140.344 M Voted...Trump got 74 M, that leaves only 66.344 M for Biden" [http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2020/12/intel-cryptanalyst-mathematician-on.html?m=1]

- Will US be Venezuela?: Ex-CIA Official told Epoch Times "Chávez started to Focus on [Smartmatic] Voting Machines to Ensure Victory as early as 2003": http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2020/12/will-us-be-venezuela-ex-cia-official.html

- Tucker Carlson's Conservatism Inc. Biden Steal Betrayal is explained by “One of the Greatest Columns ever Written" according to Rush: http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2021/01/tucker-carlsons-conservatism-inc-biden.html?m=1
 
- A Hour which will Live in Infamy: 10:01pm November 3, 2020:
http://www.thecatholicmonitor.com/2021/01/a-hour-which-will-live-in-infamy-1001pm.html?m=1
 
What is needed right now to save America from those who would destroy our God given rights is to pray at home or in church and if called to even go to outdoor prayer rallies in every town and city across the United States for God to pour out His grace on our country to save us from those who would use a Reichstag Fire-like incident to destroy our civil liberties. [Is the DC Capitol Incident Comparable to the Nazi Reichstag Fire Incident where the German People Lost their Civil Liberties?: http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2021/01/is-dc-capital-incident-comparable-to.html?m=1 and Epoch Times Show Crossroads on Capitol Incident: "Anitfa 'Agent Provocateurs'":
http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2021/01/epoch-times-show-crossroads-on-capital.html?m=1

Pray an Our Father now for the grace to know God's Will and to do it.
 
Pray an Our Father now for America.
 
Pray an Our Father now for the restoration of the Church as well as the Triumph of the Kingdom of the Sacred Heart and the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

 

Comments

Ignatius said…
Join us in the East Fred, none of this mess of Francis/modernism is really present at all. The East basically governs themselves.
Sorry but Amoris is apparently part of some of the East and seemingly whwas Kasper's selling point if I remember correctly. I go to Eastern Rite and there are some problems with the different branches of the Eastern churches and infighting as you probably know.
I go Eastern Rite that is in union with Rome some times that is.

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