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"What does it tell us when we Witness the Proponents of the Amoris Option Lapsing into Abusive and indeed Communist/Secularist Tactics?"

2020 Flashback:

"It is supremely ironic, in fact, to hear the claimants of the Karol Wojtyla charism appealing not to reason and Revelation as he did, but resorting to Tradition Shaming instead.  If people have questions about Vatican II, why should they not be answered?  If divine mercy is as great and limitless as Father Gaitley and the current Bishop of Rome contend that it is, why do these clerics and others like them marginalize and stigmatize those with whom they evidently disagree?  And what does it tell us when we witness the proponents of the Amoris Option lapsing into abusive and indeed Communist/secularist tactics instead?" - Catholic Monitor

Sunday in his podcast, Taylor Marshall nails it.  He says he has had enough of people playing the “John Paul II Card,” in order to legitimize ambiguities in Vatican II (and not just in that Council’s implementation, or interpretation).  In Dr. Marshall’s own words (9:20 or so):

When I hear Bishop Barron using the ambiguities that I’ve heard over and over and over, and then it kind of, it just (sic) you know getting the glue stick out and cutting out a little picture or holy card of John Paul II and just stamping it on everything you say, to prove that it’s right, or to get a Mother Teresa holy card, get the glue stick, STAMP STAMP STAMP—to me, that’s just not convincing.

In a video released on Saturday, Father Michael Gaitley of the Divine Mercy Fathers does exactly that.  Explaining that he is making the video in response to the urging of a friend to address the craziness all around us, Father Gaitley responds that he will do so if he can talk about what is going on in the Church as well.  And I quote (8:45):

But amid them all the craziest is not the calls to defund the police or deface the Founding Fathers, but rather calls to repeal or reject Vatican II, as if it were some kind of mistake or tool of the Devil.  Now, in my opinion, that’s crazy talk and what’s even crazier is that an alarming number of Catholics seem to be believing it.

This popular young priest, well known for his “33 Days to Morning Glory” program and for his promotion of the Divine Mercy Devotion goes on to do exactly what Taylor Marshall says the “Barronites” are always going to do.  Asking where the true Council and its allegedly good fruits may be found, Father Gaitley responds (11:22):

I saw it in the future great saint, Pope John Paul II.

And that’s it.  There follows no serious discussion of any issues with the documents of Vatican II itself, only the whitewashing that Taylor Marshall justly identifies and rejects. 

The great irony here, of course, is that John Paul II never thought or behaved in the way that Father Gaitley and Bishop Barron do.  He never called people “crazy”--not even the Nazis or Communists with whom he had to deal.  He handled them as he did the young people he instructed during the time of his ministry in Poland and the crowds who gathered by the millions across the globe to catch a glimpse of him as Pope and to hear him speak—with a charity irrevocably grounded in the truth.  Hence his signature encyclical, Veritatis Splendor.

As the talk progresses, Father Gaitley does have the good grace to admit that there is some legitimacy to certain Catholics’ concerns, but by then it is too late; the name-calling has been accomplished up front, and the rest is just Father playing “good cop” to his own “bad.”  Conceding that it is “understandable” that people might feel queasy about the Council’s “failed implementation” and “false interpretation,” he affirms (9:17):

I’d like to help us see (Vatican II) not as a failure or mistake, but as a great gift of hope and mercy for our time.

Let’s just say, Father, that if this video is any indication, you’re not helping at all. 

It is supremely ironic, in fact, to hear the claimants of the Karol Wojtyla charism appealing not to reason and Revelation as he did, but resorting to Tradition Shaming instead.  If people have questions about Vatican II, why should they not be answered?  If divine mercy is as great and limitless as Father Gaitley and the current Bishop of Rome contend that it is, why do these clerics and others like them marginalize and stigmatize those with whom they evidently disagree?  And what does it tell us when we witness the proponents of the Amoris Option lapsing into abusive and indeed Communist/secularist tactics instead?

Now, it must be noted that--like Vatican II itself--certain words and deeds of Pope John Paul II are also deserving of closer inspection and even of principled criticism.  It honors that great man’s memory and example, rather than dishonoring it, to say so.  But in no case can one hide behind his legacy while calling concerned Catholics “crazy”—worse, somehow, than the atheistic ideologues burning churches and toppling statues of Padre Serra?  How, Father Gatiley?  Tell us exactly.  How? 

Pope John Paul II--whatever his faults—treated all interlocutors with respect, Father Gaitley.   If you think so highly of him, you would do well to follow his example in this, rather than implicitly joining the personality cult centering on, and principally promoted by, Bishop Robert Barron of “Word on Fire.”  The “fire” that Our Lord came to “cast upon the earth” (Lk. 12:49) and wasn’t that of a gaslight, after all.

Pope John Paul II was no gaslighter, Vatican II apologist Fr. Gaitley! 

Note: This was written by a good friend and one of the most intelligent persons I know. The Catholic Monitor is honored to post it.

 

Stop for a moment of silence, ask Jesus Christ what He want you to do next. Make this a practice. By doing this you are doing more good than reading anything here or anywhere else on the Internet

Francis Notes:

- Doctor of the Church St. Francis de Sales totally confirmed beyond any doubt the possibility of a heretical pope and what must be done by the Church in such a situation:

"[T]he Pope... WHEN he is EXPLICITLY a heretic, he falls ipso facto from his dignity and out of the Church, and the Church MUST either deprive him, or, as some say, declare him deprived, of his Apostolic See."
(The Catholic Controversy, by St. Francis de Sales, Pages 305-306)


Saint Robert Bellarmine, also, said "the Pope heretic is not deposed ipso facto, but must be declared deposed by the Church."
[https://archive.org/stream/SilveiraImplicationsOfNewMissaeAndHereticPopes/Silveira%20Implications%20of%20New%20Missae%20and%20Heretic%20Popes_djvu.txt]

- "If Francis is a Heretic, What should Canonically happen to him?": http://www.thecatholicmonitor.com/2020/12/if-francis-is-heretic-what-should.html

- "Could Francis be a Antipope even though the Majority of Cardinals claim he is Pope?": http://www.thecatholicmonitor.com/2019/03/could-francis-be-antipope-even-though.html

 -  LifeSiteNews, "Confusion explodes as Pope Francis throws magisterial weight behind communion for adulterers," December 4, 2017:

The AAS guidelines explicitly allows "sexually active adulterous couples facing 'complex circumstances' to 'access the sacraments of Reconciliation and the Eucharist.'"

-  On February 2018, in Rorate Caeli, Catholic theologian Dr. John Lamont:

"The AAS statement... establishes that Pope Francis in Amoris Laetitia has affirmed propositions that are heretical in the strict sense."

- On December 2, 2017, Bishop Rene Gracida:

"Francis' heterodoxy is now official. He has published his letter to the Argentina bishops in Acta Apostlica Series making those letters magisterial documents."

Pray an Our Father now for the restoration of the Church by the bishops by the grace of God.

Election Notes:  

- Intel Cryptanalyst-Mathematician on Biden Steal: "212Million Registered Voters & 66.2% Voting,140.344 M Voted...Trump got 74 M, that leaves only 66.344 M for Biden" [http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2020/12/intel-cryptanalyst-mathematician-on.html?m=1]

- Will US be Venezuela?: Ex-CIA Official told Epoch Times "Chávez started to Focus on [Smartmatic] Voting Machines to Ensure Victory as early as 2003": http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2020/12/will-us-be-venezuela-ex-cia-official.html

- Tucker Carlson's Conservatism Inc. Biden Steal Betrayal is explained by “One of the Greatest Columns ever Written" according to Rush: http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2021/01/tucker-carlsons-conservatism-inc-biden.html?m=1
 
- A Hour which will Live in Infamy: 10:01pm November 3, 2020:
http://www.thecatholicmonitor.com/2021/01/a-hour-which-will-live-in-infamy-1001pm.html?m=1
 
What is needed right now to save America from those who would destroy our God given rights is to pray at home or in church and if called to even go to outdoor prayer rallies in every town and city across the United States for God to pour out His grace on our country to save us from those who would use a Reichstag Fire-like incident to destroy our civil liberties. [Is the DC Capitol Incident Comparable to the Nazi Reichstag Fire Incident where the German People Lost their Civil Liberties?: http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2021/01/is-dc-capital-incident-comparable-to.html?m=1 and Epoch Times Show Crossroads on Capitol Incident: "Anitfa 'Agent Provocateurs'":
http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2021/01/epoch-times-show-crossroads-on-capital.html?m=1

Pray an Our Father now for the grace to know God's Will and to do it.
 
Pray an Our Father now for America.
 
Pray an Our Father now for the restoration of the Church as well as the Triumph of the Kingdom of the Sacred Heart and the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

 

 

 

Comments

Aqua said…
What I have noticed about those who possess truth is a calm confidence in their beliefs and how they explain them to others. Catholics, more than any other, possess Truth and are calm, reasoned, tolerant of debate and honest questions.

*If Vatican II is true*, IF, I say, I would expect any Catholic, and especially any Bishop trying to defend and explain it to welcome honest questions and have ready answers from the inexhaustible store of Sacred Tradition. Because such know, with a quiet confidence burning in their soul, that every piece fits with every other piece and any additional piece yet undiscovered. “Bring it on! I can’t wait to discover further evidence of the perfection and majesty of Divine Truth!” Because Vatican II is not just some program dreamed up by smart guys. It is delivered by God Himself to his Beloved.

But that’s not how it goes, is it.

Their frame of reference begins and ends with Vatican II itself. Vatican II proves Vatican II. The frame of reference does not extend back beyond the smart guys behind the Council.

As a former Protestant, I recognize a Protestant program. The frame of reference gives the game away - closed inward upon itself; self referential. I became Catholic because I value the Magisterial duty to make everything fit with everything else as a proof of its Divine nature. I tired of the smart guys in the room with ready, self referential answers. There is a peace when you enter into the Maternal care of the Church's Magisterium. “Rest and know that He is God”, She says.

1: Explicate Vatican II and connect it to the Magisterium.

2: Consign the Vatican II “magisterium” to a trash heap.

Do this, and we will return to our Catholic roots once again.
Aqua said…
And … anything that new that fails to connect to the Magisterium - burn it in a white hot fire.

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