Tucker: I Haven't Said This Before…"I talked to Trump...I was shocked by that because it’s nihilism, & that’s the last thing any leader should display, or any person should display"
Tucker: I Haven't Said This Before...
... "Tucker: And once again, I’m in an unusual position because I talked to Trump. ... I’ll tell you exactly what he said--I haven’t said this [before] but I’m just going to tell you. This is a fact. I could look at my calendar, but I had flown back from Tel Aviv after seeing the US ambassador [Huckabee]. Two days later I was in the Oval Office with Trump, alone, and he was annoyed that I had given Huckabee a hard time with this whole conversation about Huckabee. I said, “As the son of an ambassador I know what the job entails and your ambassador, your representative to this nation, just called for rearranging the Middle East and allowing Israel to take parts of Saudi Arabia, Jordan, and Syria.” Like, this is a diplomatic incident. And so we had a whole conversation about this. But then I said, “This war is not about Iran’s nuclear program, which you told me and the world that you eliminated back in last summer in June. This war is being pushed by Israel with three aims.
One, its own regional hegemony. Take Iran off the map. They don’t have freedom of movement as long as Iran is a regional power.
Two, diminishing the power of the GCC, the six Gulf states which are a rival to Israel and are becoming this kind of Switzerland of the Middle East--and that’s bad for Israeli interests.
And three, getting the US out of the Middle East, because we constrain [Israeli] ambitions--getting our bases out, destroying our bases. Israel wants our bases out of the Middle East.”
I said this to Trump—to his face in the Oval Office days before the war began. And he looked at me and said, “Yes, you’re right. But in the end, we all die anyway, so it doesn’t matter.” That’s exactly what he said. “In the end, we all die anyway.” And I said to him, shocked, “But what about our kids and our grandkids and, like, our country?” And he goes, 'Ahhhh!' He didn’t respond! That’s a verbatim exchange.'
As God watches, I said that, okay? I thought [what I had said] was true then and I think it’s been proven true now. The goal was to get the US out, to diminish the GCC and, obviously, to take Iran off the map and sink it into permanent internal strife, into civil war, sectarian strife. And he said, “it doesn’t matter because in the end we’re all dead anyway.” And I was shocked by that because it’s nihilism, and that’s the last thing any leader should display, or any person should display. It does matter. Who lives or dies does matter. The future does matter." [Transcript by: https://meaninginhistory.substack.com/p/briefly-trump-nihilist]
Notes: ChatGPT: There is an important distinction here between what Carlson is reporting as a private conversation and what has been independently established. What can be establishedCarlson did make this claim publicly in his September 24, 2026 NPR Newsmakers interview. NPR's transcript records him saying that he met Trump alone in the Oval Office shortly before the Iran war and that Trump responded to his warning with:
Carlson says he then raised the issue of their children, grandchildren, and the country, and that Trump did not give a substantive response. NPR specifically asked the White House about Carlson's account. The White House did not directly confirm or deny that Trump made the statement. Instead, it referred NPR to a previous Trump social-media post attacking Carlson and other critics of the Iran policy. So the evidentiary status is:
One report likewise notes that no independent witness has corroborated Carlson's account. The more interesting philosophical pointIf we temporarily set aside whether Carlson's recollection is completely accurate, his interpretation of the sentence raises a genuine philosophical issue. There are two very different propositions: 1. “Everyone eventually dies.” That's simply a statement about mortality. 2. “Everyone eventually dies, therefore what happens to people in the meantime doesn't matter.” That is a radically different proposition. It is an inference from mortality → meaninglessness. And that second proposition really does have a recognizable nihilistic structure. Death's inevitability does not logically entail that the manner in which people live, suffer, flourish, or transmit a civilization is insignificant. In fact, Carlson's response—“What about our kids and our grandkids and our country?”—implicitly appeals to an idea of intergenerational responsibility: the fact that we will die does not eliminate our obligations to people who will live after us. That connects interestingly with the philosophical themes you've been exploring. From an Aristotelian-Thomistic perspective, for example, human action is ordered toward goods that transcend the individual's immediate existence. A father has obligations toward his children; a statesman toward the political community; and a generation toward the common good it inherits and transmits. Mortality does not abolish those relationships. There is also a specifically Christian contrast. Christianity certainly teaches that earthly life is temporary, but it does not follow that earthly consequences “don't matter.” Quite the opposite: temporal actions have moral significance precisely because persons are responsible before God for how they treat other persons and the goods entrusted to them. But there is another important cautionWe shouldn't jump from Carlson's quotation to the conclusion that Trump possesses a coherent nihilistic philosophy. A person can make a fatalistic, flippant, or dismissive remark without holding philosophical nihilism as a developed worldview. Carlson himself supplies the interpretation when he says, “I was shocked by that because it's nihilism.” So the strongest factual formulation at present would be:
That distinction is especially important because Carlson's larger claims about Israeli strategic objectives—regional hegemony, weakening the GCC, and removing the U.S. from the Middle East—are also Carlson's interpretation of Israeli policy, not facts established merely by Trump's alleged response. NPR's interview makes that distinction particularly clear. | |||||||||||||||
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I ask all The Catholic Monitor readers to also pray for the end of this war. Watch "Trump Calls Putin To Get Iran War Offramp! w/ Scott Ritter" on YouTube: ...Read more Please Pray for Trump to end the Iran War: Watch "Trump Calls Putin To Get Iran War Offramp! w/ Scott Ritter" on YouTubeFranklin & Graham calls on Christians to pray for 'end to the bloodshed' ahead of Trump-Putin summit...7mo
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Conclave Notes:
-- Open letter urges Pope Leo XIV to correct ‘scandalous incoherence’ in Amoris Laetitia...[Wow! Even notorious Popesplainer Fr.] Harrison warns that Pope Francis taught a ‘dangerous self-contradiction’ on Communion for the divorced and ‘remarried,’ petitioning Pope Leo to correct the record. [https://www.thecatholicmonitor.com/2025/08/open-letter-urges-pope-leo-xiv-to.html]
-- Are the Cardinals who will participate in the upcoming conclave authentically appointed & morally justified in voting, or will the shadow of Francis's possible illegitimacy cast itself over the next papacy? [https://www.thecatholicmonitor.com/2025/04/are-cardinals-who-will-participate-in.html]
-- 5 Dubia Questions for 1P5's Steve Skojec & All faithful Catholics especially Francis is definitely Pope Cardinals, Bishops & pundits [https://www.thecatholicmonitor.com/2019/06/5-dubia-questions-for-steve-skojec.html]
Francis Notes:
l– Doctor of the Church St. Francis de Sales totally confirmed beyond any doubt the possibility of a heretical pope and what must be done by the Church in such a situation:
“[T]he Pope… WHEN he is EXPLICITLY a heretic, he falls ipso facto from his dignity and out of the Church, and the Church MUST either deprive him, or, as some say, declare him deprived, of his Apostolic See.”
(The Catholic Controversy, by St. Francis de Sales, Pages 305-306)
Saint Robert Bellarmine, also, said “the Pope heretic is not deposed ipso facto, but must be declared deposed by the Church.”
[https://archive.org/stream/SilveiraImplicationsOfNewMissaeAndHereticPopes/Silveira%20Implications%20of%20New%20Missae%20and%20Heretic%20Popes_djvu.txt]
– “If Francis is a Heretic, What should Canonically happen to him?”: http://www.thecatholicmonitor.com/2020/12/if-francis-is-heretic-what-should.html
– “Could Francis be a Antipope even though the Majority of Cardinals claim he is Pope?”: http://www.thecatholicmonitor.com/2019/03/could-francis-be-antipope-even-though.html
– If Francis betrays Benedict XVI & the”Roman Rite Communities” like he betrayed the Chinese Catholics we must respond like St. Athanasius, the Saintly English Bishop Robert Grosseteste & “Eminent Canonists and Theologians” by “Resist[ing]” him: https://www.thecatholicmonitor.com/2021/12/if-francis-betrays-benedict-xvi.html
– LifeSiteNews, “Confusion explodes as Pope Francis throws magisterial weight behind communion for adulterers,” December 4, 2017:
The AAS guidelines explicitly allows “sexually active adulterous couples facing ‘complex circumstances’ to ‘access the sacraments of Reconciliation and the Eucharist.'”
– On February 2018, in Rorate Caeli, Catholic theologian Dr. John Lamont:
“The AAS statement… establishes that Pope Francis in Amoris Laetitia has affirmed propositions that are heretical in the strict sense.”
– On December 2, 2017, Bishop Rene Gracida:
“Francis’ heterodoxy is now official. He has published his letter to the Argentina bishops in Acta Apostlica Series making those letters magisterial documents.”
Pray an Our Father now for the restoration of the Church by the bishops by the grace of God.
Election Notes:
– Intel Cryptanalyst-Mathematician on Biden Steal: “212Million Registered Voters & 66.2% Voting,140.344 M Voted…Trump got 74 M, that leaves only 66.344 M for Biden” [http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2020/12/intel-cryptanalyst-mathematician-on.html?m=1]
– Will US be Venezuela?: Ex-CIA Official told Epoch Times “Chávez started to Focus on [Smartmatic] Voting Machines to Ensure Victory as early as 2003”: http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2020/12/will-us-be-venezuela-ex-cia-official.html
– Tucker Carlson’s Conservatism Inc. Biden Steal Betrayal is explained by “One of the Greatest Columns ever Written” according to Rush: http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2021/01/tucker-carlsons-conservatism-inc-biden.html?m=1
– A Hour which will Live in Infamy: 10:01pm November 3, 2020:
http://www.thecatholicmonitor.com/2021/01/a-hour-which-will-live-in-infamy-1001pm.html?m=1
What is needed right now to save America from those who would destroy our God given rights is to pray at home or in church and if called to even go to outdoor prayer rallies in every town and city across the United States for God to pour out His grace on our country to save us from those who would use a Reichstag Fire-like incident to destroy our civil liberties. [Is the [J6] DC Capitol Incident Comparable to the Nazi Reichstag Fire Incident where the German People Lost their Civil Liberties?: http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2021/01/is-dc-capital-incident-comparable-to.html?m=1 and Epoch Times Show Crossroads on Capitol Incident: “Anitfa ‘Agent Provocateurs‘”:
http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2021/01/epoch-times-show-crossroads-on-capital.html?m=1]
Pray an Our Father now for the grace to know God’s Will and to do it.
Pray an Our Father now for America.
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