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Has Rorate Caeli become the New Skojec that is "Skojec [who is]... a kind of Double Agent and 1P5 a False-Opposition Operation" who keeps Catholics "Confused... rather than United in any Useful Purpose"?

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It appears that pro-Covid vaccine and possibly pro-World War III Rorate Caeli is attacking Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò:

Carlo Maria Viganò is Not a Traditionalist - Rorate Caeli

The real Traditionalist website The Okie Traditionalist disagrees them:

It is refreshing for a traditional Catholic Archbishop such as Vigano, perhaps the only one doing this, to lay it all out publicly.  A man once entrusted as representing the See of St. Peter as nuncio over all the American bishops.

He talks about the need for negotiations to prevent world war, to admit to violations of rights, to ensure rights on all sides.  He points his finger at the globalist elites violating Russia's rights, and trying to take over all Europe since 1990, forcing contemporary Western values (abortion, LGBTQ, etc) on the world.  He laments the hypocrisy of the West controlling eastern Europe for its own power and gain, while condemning Putin for protecting his own sovereignty and border.  It spells out the Ukraine 2014 coup engineered by NATO, and how Zelensky is nothing more than a liberal globalist comedian, bought and paid for with corrupt money, used to start war with Russia.  And how Soros has sponsored a color revolution of truly neo-Nazi institutions supported by the NATO-controlled, installed Ukrainian government.  The facts speak for themselves.


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This is a good read, but long.  Yet it spells out the "true narrative" that nobody will get from mainstream Western media with its false narrative of "a dictator Putin trying to expand Russian territory at the expense of killing innocent citizens."  Which many can now see is a load of B.S.  Zelensky refuses to be NATO neutral; for that reason he is plunging us all into a world war. [http://okietraditionalist.blogspot.com/2022/03/archbishop-vigano-speaks-on-russia.html]

I'm starting to wonder if Rorate Caeli has become the new One Peter Five Steve Skojec who was possibly a kind of "false-opposition operation." Here is a post on that subject:

- Vatican I expert Fr. Chad Ripperger, PhD, in his book "Magister Authority" shows that almost all Francis apologists be they liberal, conservative or traditionalist are "proximate to heresy":

"[T]reating ALL papal statements as if they are infallible... is proximate to heresy because it rejects the precise formulation of the conditions of infallibility as laid out in Vatican I... by essentially saying the pope is infallible regardless of conditions..."

"... Worse still, those who were to follow a pope who was in error in a non-infallible teaching which is taught contrary to something that is infallible is not, therefore, excused."
(Magisterial Authority, Pages 5-14)

At times, I have found that the comments in the Catholic Monitor comment section are better than my post. This was true of the last post in which Jack wrote a deeply insightful comment that mirrored Fr. Rippinger's above explanation of Vatican I and Pope Innocent III's "in the matter of the faith I [and all popes and antipopes] could be judged by the Church" and he covered many other matters.

However, prior to getting to it, I want to thank all the loyal Catholic Monitor readers and commenters for their prayers especially Praypraypray and Therese who are prayer warriors and the vast majority of CM commenters for their wisdom.

Also, I want to say, unlike Jack, I am not inclined to think that One Peter Five publisher Steve Skojec is a "double agent," but it appears to me that he does keep Catholics "confused... a whining bunch of scandalmong[ers] rather than united in any useful purpose."

Here is the great comment by Jack:

"People who imagine that Vatican I's definition of papal infallibility is circular, tautological, or otherwise redundant imagine that the dogma goes like this: "Solemn papal definitions are infallible, because the pope has the power of infallibility." Which is like saying, 'it's right because the pope says it's right.'"

"This would be to set up the pope as a kind of god, since only God is truly self-justifying like this, right simply because He is right, because He is Truth itself by His very essence."

"I think in the wake of liberalism and its undermining of all authority, Catholics rallied to the pope and after Vatican I made this kind of mistake, at least implicitly, that the pope is right because he is right. But this is just another human error, setting up a man in God's place, undermining authority in an even more subtle way."

"The pope is not right because he says he's right, and he's not infallible simply because he has the power of infallibility (although he is and he does). Vatican I is very clear. The pope is infallible BECAUSE Christ gave the keys to Peter and his Successors, and HE guaranteed by HIS divine power that the pope would never err in his solemn teaching capacity. This is perhaps a subtle distinction, but it makes a profound difference. It means that our faith is not centred on the person of the pope, but centred on Christ just has it has always been."

"So when we come across a pope who appears to be erring in doctrine, the first thing we should ask is whether he is really erring or not. And if he is erring, the next thing to ask is whether his papacy is legitimate or whether he's an antipope. But for people with a worldly mindset who are too willing to accept the world's opinions and maintain their public image, and who's faith is more centred on the person of the pope than on the person of Christ, they would rather deny Vatican I and become heretics than accuse a possible antipope (despite there having been many, many antipopes in history) and fall temporarily out of favour."

"To be honest at this point I would not be surprised if Skojec is a kind of double agent and 1p5 a false-opposition operation designed to keep potential critics of the regime confused and pigeonholed. Keep traditionalists as a whining bunch of scandalmongerers rather than united in any useful purpose."
[http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2019/09/is-skojecs-infallible-opinion-that.html?m=1]

Lastly, here is my simple post that hopefully helped inspire Jack in his exceptional comment:

It appears that One Peter Five publisher Steve Skojec's infallible opinion that the Francis papacy cannot be invalid under any circumstances is leading him towards heresy.

Yesterday on Twitter, Skojec said to @JoshuaPotryus and @MikeJon:

"The problem is that infallibility appears to be tautological at best and borders on superstition at worst."

A example of a tautology is former Vice President Dan Quayle's:

"If we do not succeed, we run the risk of failure."

A possible Skojec tautology might go:

"If Francis is not a valid pope, we run the risk of Francis being a antipope" which may lead to this possible Skojec tautology:

"I believe Vatican I's papal infallibly teaching "appears... [to border] on superstition," so I accept as true that that infallible dogma "appears... [to border]" on being a unfounded belief."

It appears that Skojec's logic goes something like the following:

"Francis's papal validity is a 100% infallible belief and if anyone doubts it they are a schismatic therefore Vatican I's infallible teaching on papal infallibly "appears to be a tautological at best and borders on superstition at worst."

 

Pray an Our Father now for reparation for the sins committed because of Francis's Amoris Laetitia.

Pray an Our Father now for the restoration of the Church as well as the Triumph of the Kingdom of the Sacred Heart and the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

Stop for a moment of silence, ask Jesus Christ what He wants you to do now and next. In this silence remember God, Father, Son and Holy Ghost - Three Divine Persons yet One God, has an ordered universe where you can know truth and falsehood as well as never forget that He wants you to have eternal happiness with Him as his son or daughter by grace. Make this a practice. By doing this you are doing more good than reading anything here or anywhere else on the Internet.

Francis Notes:

- Doctor of the Church St. Francis de Sales totally confirmed beyond any doubt the possibility of a heretical pope and what must be done by the Church in such a situation:

"[T]he Pope... WHEN he is EXPLICITLY a heretic, he falls ipso facto from his dignity and out of the Church, and the Church MUST either deprive him, or, as some say, declare him deprived, of his Apostolic See."
(The Catholic Controversy, by St. Francis de Sales, Pages 305-306)


Saint Robert Bellarmine, also, said "the Pope heretic is not deposed ipso facto, but must be declared deposed by the Church."
[https://archive.org/stream/SilveiraImplicationsOfNewMissaeAndHereticPopes/Silveira%20Implications%20of%20New%20Missae%20and%20Heretic%20Popes_djvu.txt]

- "If Francis is a Heretic, What should Canonically happen to him?": http://www.thecatholicmonitor.com/2020/12/if-francis-is-heretic-what-should.html

- "Could Francis be a Antipope even though the Majority of Cardinals claim he is Pope?": http://www.thecatholicmonitor.com/2019/03/could-francis-be-antipope-even-though.html

 -  LifeSiteNews, "Confusion explodes as Pope Francis throws magisterial weight behind communion for adulterers," December 4, 2017:

The AAS guidelines explicitly allows "sexually active adulterous couples facing 'complex circumstances' to 'access the sacraments of Reconciliation and the Eucharist.'"

-  On February 2018, in Rorate Caeli, Catholic theologian Dr. John Lamont:

"The AAS statement... establishes that Pope Francis in Amoris Laetitia has affirmed propositions that are heretical in the strict sense."

- On December 2, 2017, Bishop Rene Gracida:

"Francis' heterodoxy is now official. He has published his letter to the Argentina bishops in Acta Apostlica Series making those letters magisterial documents."

Pray an Our Father now for the restoration of the Church by the bishops by the grace of God.

Election Notes:  

- Intel Cryptanalyst-Mathematician on Biden Steal: "212Million Registered Voters & 66.2% Voting,140.344 M Voted...Trump got 74 M, that leaves only 66.344 M for Biden" [http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2020/12/intel-cryptanalyst-mathematician-on.html?m=1]

- Will US be Venezuela?: Ex-CIA Official told Epoch Times "Chávez started to Focus on [Smartmatic] Voting Machines to Ensure Victory as early as 2003": http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2020/12/will-us-be-venezuela-ex-cia-official.html

- Tucker Carlson's Conservatism Inc. Biden Steal Betrayal is explained by “One of the Greatest Columns ever Written" according to Rush: http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2021/01/tucker-carlsons-conservatism-inc-biden.html?m=1
 
- A Hour which will Live in Infamy: 10:01pm November 3, 2020:
http://www.thecatholicmonitor.com/2021/01/a-hour-which-will-live-in-infamy-1001pm.html?m=1
 
What is needed right now to save America from those who would destroy our God given rights is to pray at home or in church and if called to even go to outdoor prayer rallies in every town and city across the United States for God to pour out His grace on our country to save us from those who would use a Reichstag Fire-like incident to destroy our civil liberties. [Is the DC Capitol Incident Comparable to the Nazi Reichstag Fire Incident where the German People Lost their Civil Liberties?: http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2021/01/is-dc-capital-incident-comparable-to.html?m=1 and Epoch Times Show Crossroads on Capitol Incident: "Anitfa 'Agent Provocateurs'":
http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2021/01/epoch-times-show-crossroads-on-capital.html?m=1

Pray an Our Father now for the grace to know God's Will and to do it.
 
Pray an Our Father now for America.
 
Pray an Our Father now for the restoration of the Church as well as the Triumph of the Kingdom of the Sacred Heart and the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

Comments

Laramie Hirsch said…
These same people, who tout that they pay attention to history, seem to always be on the wrong side of it these past few years. It is amazing to me how many people within our sphere are on the same side as George Soros, Biden, Schwab, Bill Gates, Hillary Clinton, or whatever other Batman villain you want to put up on the list. Are these people truly bought-and-paid for shills? Or could their opinions truly be so easily swayed in a bad direction—that they are uncontrollably emotional and forming poor opinions? One would have thought that, since September 11, 2001, we would have learned to calmly and dispassionately look at events and try not to be fooled by mainstream narratives. But every day, my greatest fears are confirmed: mainstream acceptance is a siren song that most people simply cannot resist.
Aqua said…
I agree with Laramie Hirsch, above.

And I agree also, of course, with Anne Barnhardt who predicted from the beginning of this multi-Pope farce that any Catholic who persisted in the error of the re-made Papacy, the false resignation and resulting anti-papacy, following the anti-pope in submission to his quantifiably un-Catholic authority, would eventually apostacize from the Catholic Faith.

Rorate-Caeli call themselves “Traditionalists”. Wrong. That is not who we are.

There is only one word to describe a Christian - Catholic; or better, two words -Roman Catholic.

We are all meant to be “Trads”, which is Arbp Vigano’s essential underlying purpose.

Ecclesia Dei gets special permissions for themselves. Oh, goody - permission granted today, altered or denied tomorrow. And what about the rest of Christendom, Rorate?

Arbp Vigano seeks unity within the One Holy Catholic Apostolic Faith for ALL Catholics *within Sacred Tradition* (Trads- all). No exceptions anywhere - the essence of Catholicity.

And so those who follow the evil false Pope who demands obedience to his un-Catholic decrees spin away from the Sun, around which all planets in union with Him naturally orbit - away they go, and the farther they go the less sense they make, the more angry and frustrated they become.
JBQ said…
It is known that Bergoglio while Archbishop of Buenos Aires developed his own intelligence service. He took the modus vivendi to the Vatican. I have picked up on a "counter intelligence operation" from the Vatican to influence public opinion. ----Critics are evidently being identified and then silenced by a measure of different modes of operation dependent on the subject. It is not beyond question that Steve Skojec was indeed a double agent. We are living in strange times where the Church mimics KGB tactics or maybe are in collusion.
T said…
A pope doesn’t have to teach ex cathedra heresy to be a heretic. Very rarely has any pope taught ex cathedra. Any heretic is not a member of the Church, and by common sense whoever leads the Church has to be Catholic. The only thing is that nobody is legally bound to that same understanding until someone declares it by law.

Francis has contradicted the gospel and Church many times. TheLord commands us to make disciples of all nations, but Francis says convincing any unbeliever of the faith is a sin. The Church has taught that the state has the right to inflict capital punishment, and Francis says the Church and St. Paul got the gospel wrong for 200ish year: in the light of the gospel it is inadmissible!
Rorate Caeli has long been lightweight as actual traditionalists. In other words, they’re CatholiCucks, the Catholic species of cuckservatives. Rorate Caeli is simply doing what cuckservatives do best: attack to the right. Standard procedure. Cuckservatives burn with unquenchable lust for mainstream respectability. But of course today one can’t simultaneously be an undiluted traditional Catholic and also pursue mainstream respectability.

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