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Flashback- LifeSiteNews' Westen: "The Easiest Solution would be to have Pope Francis declared some kind of Heretic or Illegally Elected... discussions are going on among the Hierarchy"

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"[T]he easiest solution would be to have Pope Francis declared some kind of heretic or illegally elected or whatever. And I know discussions are going on among the hierarchy. But, for lay people we are unable to make those calls. And for right now we are called to pray for the pope and I pray literally for his [Francis's] conversion." - LifeSiteNews' chief editor John-Henry Westen

Today [ ], in a Dr. Taylor Marshall YouTube podcast, LifeSiteNews' chief editor John-Henry Westen admitted that "discussions are going on among the hierarchy" that Francis is a "heretic or illegally elected":

"[Marshall said] Beneplenists, Benedict is pope, has taken off and we saw Bishop Gracida endorsing this [Catholic Monitor correction: Bishop Rene Gracida has apparently proposed this as one option of three courses of action including the illegal conclave option and the Bellarmine option for an manifest heretic.] And also... Archbishop Lenga has kind of joined on board and there are a lot of voices in Italy of course Antonio Socci... "

"... How does John-Henry Westen compute all this?... "

"... [Westen answered] "[T]he easiest solution would be to have Pope Francis declared some kind of heretic or illegally elected or whatever. And I know discussions are going on among the hierarchy. But, for lay people we are unable to make those calls. And for right now we are called to pray for the pope and I pray literally for his [Francis's] conversion."
(Dr. Taylor Marshall YouTube Channel, "Did Pope Francis Betray Catholic China? Is Corona the Judgement?," 51:35-54:04)

Question for Westen:

If lay people are not allowed an opinion, how can he, a layman, affirm Francis is the pope?

At LifeSiteNews, only lay people who question Francis's validity are not allowed to have opinions. Everybody else is.

Moreover, if the "hierarchy" is discussing whether Francis is a antipope due to an "illegal" election then he is a "doubtful pope."

Theologian Fr. Sylvester Berry wrote:

"Hence the saying of [Doctor of the Church St. Robert] Bellarmine: a doubtful pope is no pope. 'Therefore,' continued to Cardinal, 'if a papal election is really doubtful for any reason, the elected should resign... the universal Church... can and ought to decide, when occasion demands, who is the legitimate pope."
(The Church of Christ: An Apologetic and Dogmatic Treatise, Page 229, Note 8: Bellarmine, "De Concilio, ii, 19)

Finally, if Westen is praying for Francis's "conversion" then that mean he apparently is of the opinion that Francis has lost the faith and may be a heretic.

If this is true then the Bellarmine option summarize by his friend and colleague Doctor of the Church St. Francis de Sales comes into play:

"[T]he Pope... when he is explicitly a heretic he falls ipso facto from his dignity and out of the Church, and the Church must either deprive him, or, as some say, declare him deprived of his Apostolic See."
(The Catholic Controversy by St. Francis de Sales, Pages 305-306)

Comments

Alexis Bugnolo said…
Great comments and analysis, Fred.

I think that they speak of this in public, shows that their narrative control is bleeding on all sides.

Their position is emotional politics, not rational, dogmatic, canonical.
Justina said…
There is also the glaring issue of John-Henry characterizing the questioning of the Argentinian's claim to the papacy as the "easiest" option. Really, Mr. Westen? You and your ilk are the martyrs here, praying your Rosaries and offering up the pain of Pachamama idolatry and Holy Communion for chronic adulterers because you care more about Jesus Christ than those who want to see such abuses corrected at the root?

How can you and the other Bergoglian normalizers, Mr. Westen, dismiss the questioning of his claim to the papacy as taking the wide road, the easy path, out of one side of your mouths, while out of the other you are constantly shielding yourselves behind the baseless assertion that nothing can be done about the situation because it would just be too hard? You can't have your cake and eat it, too, Mr. Westen. If all of you at Lifesite wish to position yourselves as opinion leaders in the anglophone or even wider Catholic world, you can't just skip the part about making simple sense in the first place.
John Henry-Westen is a liar.
Debbie said…
"Listen, we ALL think you're probably right", said Chris Ferrar to Ann Barnhardt in July 2016 at Lake Garda.

SFA said…
Everyone is allowed to have an opinion, but who has the power to make authoritative decisions? Your readers must be familiar with John Salza from TAN Books. He has a well informed take on all this. Only the Church has jurisdiction to declare a pope to be heretical or to depose a pope. Layman can have opinions but only the hierarchy entrusted by Christ with Church leadership can act.
BrotherBeowulf said…
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BrotherBeowulf said…
St Patrick's Day

@SFA: Francis is an antipope. There's no doubt he's head of the criminal clerical Homosexual Network Strangling the Church. These men have just denied the Sacraments--the whole raison d'etre of the Church--to us all including the undersigned sitting ten miles from Grand Central Station in New York. Dioceses of New York (ten counties); Newark; Paterson; Bridgeport; and Brooklyn are having a Mass blackout, following the lead and example of this false pope and antipope you say we daren't challenge.

Sorry, you're wrong.

Benedict did not properly resign the office of the papacy. Hence he is still the Pope. The text is plan. Canon law and resignation.

Mr. Salza is a lawyer w no expertise or training in Church history or canon law, but he sure knows a lot about Free-Masonry. You may consider him 'well-informed,' on the Benedict-Francis debate, and that may be true as to yourself. To me he is a self promoter.

To most traditional Catholics in the pew (contrasted against professional butter-my-bread-bishopdonors talking heads) his commentary is tendentious, rude, arrogant, and insulting to women and clergy.

If you can't figure out Bergoglio simply ain't Catholic, and that Benedict is, and that we have two men as a matter of plain fact running around calling themselves pope, and that people have the right and duty to figure it out and declare for the Catholic one...well then I'm afraid I can't help you.

Perhaps read a little more of Bro. Bugnolo at his site, where today he notes, @ FromRome.Info:

"A great scandal is being given the world, and it is not the Wuhan virus. It is Bishops closing the doors of Churches and/or abolishing the public offering of the Sacraments of our Holy Faith.

"Let us be clear. The Bishops have no right to do this. Their duty is to minister the sacraments, in season and out of season, as the great Saint Paul the Apostle teaches."

Viva il Papa! Viva Benedetto! Viva the Immaculate Heart! ¡Viva Cristo Rey!

¡¡VIVA!!
Debbie said…
^^^^🙌🙌🙌^^^^

7:45 AM 

Pray an Our Father now for reparation for the sins committed because of Francis's Amoris Laetitia.

Pray an Our Father now for the restoration of the Church as well as the Triumph of the Kingdom of the Sacred Heart and the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

Stop for a moment of silence, ask Jesus Christ what He wants you to do now and next. In this silence remember God, Father, Son and Holy Ghost - Three Divine Persons yet One God, has an ordered universe where you can know truth and falsehood as well as never forget that He wants you to have eternal happiness with Him as his son or daughter by grace. Make this a practice. By doing this you are doing more good than reading anything here or anywhere else on the Internet.

Francis Notes:

- Doctor of the Church St. Francis de Sales totally confirmed beyond any doubt the possibility of a heretical pope and what must be done by the Church in such a situation:

"[T]he Pope... WHEN he is EXPLICITLY a heretic, he falls ipso facto from his dignity and out of the Church, and the Church MUST either deprive him, or, as some say, declare him deprived, of his Apostolic See."
(The Catholic Controversy, by St. Francis de Sales, Pages 305-306)


Saint Robert Bellarmine, also, said "the Pope heretic is not deposed ipso facto, but must be declared deposed by the Church."
[https://archive.org/stream/SilveiraImplicationsOfNewMissaeAndHereticPopes/Silveira%20Implications%20of%20New%20Missae%20and%20Heretic%20Popes_djvu.txt]

- "If Francis is a Heretic, What should Canonically happen to him?": http://www.thecatholicmonitor.com/2020/12/if-francis-is-heretic-what-should.html

- "Could Francis be a Antipope even though the Majority of Cardinals claim he is Pope?": http://www.thecatholicmonitor.com/2019/03/could-francis-be-antipope-even-though.html

 -  LifeSiteNews, "Confusion explodes as Pope Francis throws magisterial weight behind communion for adulterers," December 4, 2017:

The AAS guidelines explicitly allows "sexually active adulterous couples facing 'complex circumstances' to 'access the sacraments of Reconciliation and the Eucharist.'"

-  On February 2018, in Rorate Caeli, Catholic theologian Dr. John Lamont:

"The AAS statement... establishes that Pope Francis in Amoris Laetitia has affirmed propositions that are heretical in the strict sense."

- On December 2, 2017, Bishop Rene Gracida:

"Francis' heterodoxy is now official. He has published his letter to the Argentina bishops in Acta Apostlica Series making those letters magisterial documents."

Pray an Our Father now for the restoration of the Church by the bishops by the grace of God.

Election Notes:  

- Intel Cryptanalyst-Mathematician on Biden Steal: "212Million Registered Voters & 66.2% Voting,140.344 M Voted...Trump got 74 M, that leaves only 66.344 M for Biden" [http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2020/12/intel-cryptanalyst-mathematician-on.html?m=1]

- Will US be Venezuela?: Ex-CIA Official told Epoch Times "Chávez started to Focus on [Smartmatic] Voting Machines to Ensure Victory as early as 2003": http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2020/12/will-us-be-venezuela-ex-cia-official.html

- Tucker Carlson's Conservatism Inc. Biden Steal Betrayal is explained by “One of the Greatest Columns ever Written" according to Rush: http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2021/01/tucker-carlsons-conservatism-inc-biden.html?m=1
 
- A Hour which will Live in Infamy: 10:01pm November 3, 2020:
http://www.thecatholicmonitor.com/2021/01/a-hour-which-will-live-in-infamy-1001pm.html?m=1
 
What is needed right now to save America from those who would destroy our God given rights is to pray at home or in church and if called to even go to outdoor prayer rallies in every town and city across the United States for God to pour out His grace on our country to save us from those who would use a Reichstag Fire-like incident to destroy our civil liberties. [Is the DC Capitol Incident Comparable to the Nazi Reichstag Fire Incident where the German People Lost their Civil Liberties?: http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2021/01/is-dc-capital-incident-comparable-to.html?m=1 and Epoch Times Show Crossroads on Capitol Incident: "Anitfa 'Agent Provocateurs'":
http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2021/01/epoch-times-show-crossroads-on-capital.html?m=1

Pray an Our Father now for the grace to know God's Will and to do it.
 
Pray an Our Father now for America.
 
Pray an Our Father now for the restoration of the Church as well as the Triumph of the Kingdom of the Sacred Heart and the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

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