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The Okie Traditionalist & Ann Barnhardt on the Vaccine aka the "DeathJab"

Two of my favorite bloggers are the Okie Traditionalist and Ann Barnhardt. Here is their take on the vaccine:

The other topic is this endless vaccine issue that keeps dominating the news cycle, ad nauseum, just the latest ideological issue Big Brother/The Media is using to control the masses, in my opinion, which is why I'm largely silent about it and gloss over the daily headlines about Fauci et al as stupid distractions.  

You know from good things like God, Jesus, or the Church.

Now, according to the principle of double effect, most of the covid vaccines (minus J&J) can be taken without committing a sin, whether venial or mortal.  This isn't some novel post-VII idea, but rather traditional moral theology applied to medical ethics.  And this is not my opinion.

This is the position by the way, not only of the Holy See, but nearly every traditionalist priest or trad apostolate I've heard give their opinion, whether SSPX, FSSP, or otherwise.  That is on whether or not taking the vaccine is a sin.  LINK

On the other hand, since these vaccines are new, and largely untested, but especially because they were derived from studies including aborted fetal cell lines, then, as this priest argues, (thanks to C212 posting it), and because they are being used by Big Brother for communist control, the vaccine can and should be generally avoided altogether:  LINK.

Makes sense to me.

That said, if say you are the breadwinner of the family, i.e. the husband, then I can't fault any man using prudence deciding to take the vaccine if it is required to maintain his livelihood.  Whether you're say a health care professional, educator, or police officer, if they make you take it, and not taking it could cost you your job, then that's a prudential decision.  

And if I'm off base, then so be it.  I'm just one guy waxing and waning on subjects that pop up daily on my radar.  

Eat more jelly beans, this Easter season! []

The Okie Traditionalist said "if I'm off base, then so be it. I'm just one guy waxing and waning on subjects that pop up daily on my radar." And as usual, Miss Barnhardt takes up the challenge of showing if he and other pundits are "off base" on the "DeathJab":

The survival rate for Covid-19 is shown to be exactly the same as any chest cold: 99.97%

The CDC, WHO and all other entities in the post-Christian west quietly combined all influenzas, colds and bacterial pneumonias into the SAME CATEGORY, “PIC”, thus REBRANDING influenza, bacterial pneumonia and all seasonal colds as “PANDEMIC COVID”.  This is why influenza was statistically ERADICATED from the surface of the Earth in April ARSH 2020. All influenza deaths since April ARSH 2020 have been fraudulently re-branded “Covid” – GLOBALLY!

Within weeks – WEEKS-  governments and Pharmaceutical Companies announced that a “vaccine” would be available within months, and that THE ONLY POSSIBLE WAY OUT of total, permanent lockdown and economic death was THE HOLY VACCINE. Relentless propaganda FLOODING about the utter necessity of every person being “vaccinated” began IMMEDIATELY.

The Gates Foundation is heavily involved in funding both NGOs and Pharma companies pushing these same “vaccines”.  The Gates Foundation’s raison d’être is HUMAN POPULATION REDUCTION.

All “Covid Vaccines” are given global “emergency use authorization TOTALLY ILLEGALLY because  there are numerous safe, well-known drugs, especially Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine,  that have a massive success rate in both preventing AND treating “Covid/PIC”.  These drugs have been MALICIOUSLY AND INTENTIONALLY withheld from the public and even LYINGLY VILIFIED in order to maintain the public lie that THE HOLY VACCINE is the one and only way out.

Deaths, strokes, paralyses, miscarriages, bizarre uterine sloughing – including among women who are years post-menopausal, are reported in DROVES, orders of magnitude beyond any parameters triggering a total cessation of HUMAN TRIALS of any drug or vaccine.  ALL side-effects are waved off as either “not related” or “acceptable”.

Countless people who have been “vaccinated” continue to “test positive” and even become ill from “Covid”.  Fauci and the rest of the coven continue to preach that Coviet submission muzzles MUST be worn and that all “social distancing” and lockdown MUST be continued even by the “vaccinated”.  Real vaccines (i.e. smallpox, polio…) impart sterilizing immunity – the recipient can neither acquire nor spread (hence sterilizing) the virus in question.  Therefore this is OBVIOUSLY not a “vaccine”.

Massive direct coercion begins to rain down upon those who refuse to take the totally experimental and CLEARLY WILDLY DANGEROUS injections. Travel bans, exclusion from any public activity or space, and even REFUSAL OF THE SACRAMENTS are just some of the coercive measures already unfolding in just the very earliest days of the DeathJab.  CLEARLY the ability to buy and sell and hold any form of currency or debt instrument are QUICKLY going to be tied to “proof of vaccination”. Custody of minor children will also be tied to “vaccination”.

Coercing any human being into MEDICAL EXPERIMENTATION is against:
1) The Nuremberg Code
2) UNESCO Universal Declaration on Bioethics and Human Rights (Article 6)
3) UN International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (Article 7)
4) UN Universal Declaration of Human Rights (Article 3)

It is GLARINGLY, PATENTLY OBVIOUS that the DeathJab is NEFARIOUS, has NOTHING TO DO WITH ANY VIRUS OR PUBLIC HEALTH CONCERN, and is ALMOST METAPHYSICALLY CERTAIN to be at minimum THE vector for economic totalitarianism, and is beyond that almost certainly either a sterilant, and/or a toxic prelude to the release of another engineered virus which will incite fatality via cytokine storm when interfaced with the mRNA antibody tag, intended to result in an unprecedented genocide.

What possible, possible sense does it make to think the Bill and Melinda Gates and their coven of oligarchs suddenly want to PREVENT EVERY HUMAN BEING FROM DYING – even the super-geriatric with multiple comorbidities, when their entire agenda revolves around the rapid reduction of the human population from 7.7 billion to under one billion??



If taking the DeathJab AT ALL is a sin against prudence, which we clearly see that it is, WHAT DOES IT MATTER IN THE IMMEDIATE SENSE WHETHER IT CONTAINS DEAD BABIES?

We have already logically established that NO MORALLY SANE PERSON can participate in this highly-probable genocide and OBVIOUS totalitarian maneuver.  The question ends there.  No additional tangents are even germane to the question.  The vaccine could be made out of smoked salmon dip, peanut butter, or dead babies and it is STILL a SIN AGAINST PRUDENCE to take it in the first place.

How can a parent of minor children, or ANYONE think they can play worse-than-Russian  roulette… in order to WHAT? Keep a job? Be able to fly? Be able to eat inside at The Cheesecake Factory?  You can’t justify it in any sane, rational way.  It’s a massive, obvious sin against PRUDENCE. []

As usual, Ann Barnhardt does a lot of dot connecting. Please do your own research on all of the above including the real research done on cytokine storms as related to the “PANDEMIC COVID” and just about all modern 20th Century major and minor illnesses

Francis Notes:

- Doctor of the Church St. Francis de Sales totally confirmed beyond any doubt the possibility of a heretical pope and what must be done by the Church in such a situation:

"[T]he Pope... WHEN he is EXPLICITLY a heretic, he falls ipso facto from his dignity and out of the Church, and the Church MUST either deprive him, or, as some say, declare him deprived, of his Apostolic See."
(The Catholic Controversy, by St. Francis de Sales, Pages 305-306)

Saint Robert Bellarmine, also, said "the Pope heretic is not deposed ipso facto, but must be declared deposed by the Church."

- "If Francis is a Heretic, What should Canonically happen to him?":

- "Could Francis be a Antipope even though the Majority of Cardinals claim he is Pope?":

 -  LifeSiteNews, "Confusion explodes as Pope Francis throws magisterial weight behind communion for adulterers," December 4, 2017:

The AAS guidelines explicitly allows "sexually active adulterous couples facing 'complex circumstances' to 'access the sacraments of Reconciliation and the Eucharist.'"

-  On February 2018, in Rorate Caeli, Catholic theologian Dr. John Lamont:

"The AAS statement... establishes that Pope Francis in Amoris Laetitia has affirmed propositions that are heretical in the strict sense."

- On December 2, 2017, Bishop Rene Gracida:

"Francis' heterodoxy is now official. He has published his letter to the Argentina bishops in Acta Apostlica Series making those letters magisterial documents."

Pray an Our Father now for the restoration of the Church by the bishops by the grace of God.

Election Notes:  

- Intel Cryptanalyst-Mathematician on Biden Steal: "212Million Registered Voters & 66.2% Voting,140.344 M Voted...Trump got 74 M, that leaves only 66.344 M for Biden" []

- Will US be Venezuela?: Ex-CIA Official told Epoch Times "Chávez started to Focus on [Smartmatic] Voting Machines to Ensure Victory as early as 2003":

- Tucker Carlson's Conservatism Inc. Biden Steal Betrayal is explained by “One of the Greatest Columns ever Written" according to Rush:
- A Hour which will Live in Infamy: 10:01pm November 3, 2020:
What is needed right now to save America from those who would destroy our God given rights is to pray at home or in church and if called to even go to outdoor prayer rallies in every town and city across the United States for God to pour out His grace on our country to save us from those who would use a Reichstag Fire-like incident to destroy our civil liberties. [Is the DC Capitol Incident Comparable to the Nazi Reichstag Fire Incident where the German People Lost their Civil Liberties?: and Epoch Times Show Crossroads on Capitol Incident: "Anitfa 'Agent Provocateurs'":

Pray an Our Father now for the grace to know God's Will and to do it.
Pray an Our Father now for America.
Pray an Our Father now for the restoration of the Church as well as the Triumph of the Kingdom of the Sacred Heart and the Immaculate Heart of Mary.







Mark Docherty said…
The breadwinner of a young family out of Prudence, should be carrying seven figures worth of life insurance. Problem solved.
Thanks CM, I appreciate that you follow my blog. I’ve followed yours too. Never in a million years would I have predicted, though, that my views would one day be contrasted with that of a famous Catholic blogger.

I agree that the covid vaccine is medically bad news (I am a medical professional so I have read about the bad science behind it) and should be avoided for the reasons laid out in your post, or for any of the other reasons we hear about daily across the headlines. That was a concession I made in my post.

However, I respectfully disagree with telling other Catholics that taking the vaccine is a sin, per se or through imprudence, when the vast majority of Trad clergy, not to mention the Vatican (citing double effect which was used by the Magisterium long before the VII Crisis, btw) says otherwise. Re on the question of it being a sin, I look first to the Church authority.

I’d make a wager most Trads coming across the daily headlines obsessing about the precious covid pandemic would like to read about something else. Make a survey, and if I’m wrong and people want to maintain the frequency of these discussions, name your stake and I’ll pay up if I’m wrong. And vice versa. Might keep things fun. ;) ‘Ole Ann B can pony up too if she wants.
Fred Martinez said…

Thanks for following the CM. I enjoy your site.

Today, in your post you wrote:

"Ann Barnhardt Responds to Okie Trad"

"At least that was Catholic Monitor’s deduction."

I wasn't making a specific "deduction" that Ann Barnhardt was responding to your specific post. My meaning was in general she was responding to positions such as yours. Here is what I wrote:

"The Okie Traditionalist said "if I'm off base, then so be it. I'm just one guy waxing and waning on subjects that pop up daily on my radar." And as usual, Miss Barnhardt takes up the challenge of showing if he and other pundits are "off base" on the "DeathJab" []

God bless you.
Apologies Fred, what I meant was, that is what seems to be the fair deduction from your post, not that you yourself were explicitly making that deduction.

The day right before she made that post, I had made my post raising specific points that later closely correlated to hers a) taking the vaccine not being per se a sin, b) a man may need to take it to save his job, and c) ending with a joke about eating jelly beans. In her post, she a) argued so what if it is not in itself a sin, it would be according to her a sin against prudence, b) then she objected to the point about not losing your job, and c) ended with the jelly bean meme, whoever put that together. That last bit tipped me off she was, in part, rebutting me. And so far recently, I haven't encountered other Catholic bloggers making the argument I made.

Here is my edited post:

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