Vatican II was (deliberately) made ambiguous..contradictory..so cannot be infallible: "[VII] imposes..'Papal Stalinism,'..servile obedience to even the fallible opinions of any pope"

Vatican II was (deliberately) made ambiguous and contradictory and so cannot be . Vatican II is full of doctrinal novelties and it is impossible for any novelties to be infallible. Even the fathers and popes during and after Vatican II knew that Vatican II is not infallible.

Vatican II is not infallible - Catholic Candle

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Anonymous said…

Can you explain something to me? In his syllabus on invincible ignorance, Pius IX wrote:

1) That it is possible for men of good will and invincible ignorance to be saved.

2) That no one outside the Church can be saved.

What exactly is he saying and how different is it from the subsist-in “heresy”?

Is he a manifest heretic for knowing the traditional teaching and denying it?

11:53 AM

Fred Martinez said…

SpirituTuo
I am talking about the general rule. Yes, those in invincible ignorance can be saved, but they are not saved BY their invincible ignorance. Pius IX is not contradicting Eugene IV. He is not speaking of the general rule (which is one must be Catholic to be saved).
The point of this thread (and the reason why I brought Pope Eugene's teaching into it) is that, according to Francis (and quite frankly MANY Catholics on this board), anyone who is Christian (Catholic or not) are the same: all Christians will be saved even if they are not Catholic...regardless of whether they are invincibly ignorant or not.

To believe that all Christians are saved (barring true invincible ignorance) is not Catholic teaching and never was.

6:54 PM

Anonymous said…

Yes, but is he saying that invincible ignorant note Catholics of goodwill are somehow part of the Church? If not, how can they be saved? And if so how did VII err?

11:16 PM

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