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Christopher West & the Theology of looking at Naked People & West's apparent Disciple David Gordon, the brother of Tim Gordon vs. Fr. Nix on Onanism & Foreplay

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Fr. Chad Ripperger agrees that pollution outside the natural act is gravely immoral for the wife as well as for the husband.

Ripperger : “Among the married, some kinds of foreplay are permissible, and some are not.”

“Pollution also applies to women…. the same actually applies to women as does to men. I know that some moralists say that it’s okay for women to … reach climax outside the context of [marital sex] and that it’s fine as long as the male doesn’t do it. But the moralists … the Saints and those who’ve written based on the Saints say that that’s not the case…. because God condemned Onanism in the Old Testament, you can’t engage in anything that is basically on the level of Onanism, and so you have to be very careful about observing that.”

[...]

But soon afterward, Fr. Dave Nix, whose position seems to be similar to my own, offered to debate Gordon.

Fr. Nix to Gordon: “Quote me on this thread and debate me. I’ll take you on publicly or privately, as I said.”

And Gordon’s reply was silence (as far as I know). Perhaps they will debate at some time. Fr. Nix also cited Fr. Hugh Barbour on this topic, whose position is also similar to my own and contrary to Gordon, Christopher West, et alia.

“And I suppose you don’t like Prummer either? The argument from silence is also incredibly strong. If foreplay leading up to unitive climax were wrong, don’t you think the Magisterium would have mentioned it like ever?”

“The argument from silence?” Okay. Pope Saint John Paul II wrote and spoke extensively on marital sexual ethics, and he never once approved of the use of unnatural sexual acts in marriage, even as foreplay, even without male climax. Never did he approve of the wife’s climax outside the natural act either. He instead requires each sexual act to be unitive and procreative. - Ron Conte website

The Catholic Monitor found an interesting exchange between Church Militant's Robert David Gordon, the brother of Tim Gordon, and Fr. David Nix on Onanism. It was found in the Ron Conte website:

I believe the show he references is here: RULES FOR RETROGRADES on YouTube, with his brother Tim Gordon.

David R Gordon: “Lol. I’ve read your arguments. You contradict Pius XII, who says that the freedom in the marital bed is great as long as the man’s seed ends in the right place. You parse every single kiss during the marital act from the act itself, taking it upon yourself to outlaw foreplay.”

That quote is actually from British analytical philosopher GEM Anscombe: A Quote on Marriage misattributed to Pope Pius XII. And interestingly, it is usually falsely referenced as from the Pius XII Address to the Second World Congress on Fertility and Sterility — in which the Pontiff actually states the opposite of the Anscombe quote.

Also, I do not outlaw foreplay. My book has an entire chapter: “Licit Marital Foreplay”. But according to the basic principles of ethics taught by the ordinary and universal Magisterium, each human act has three fonts of morality (intention, object, circumstances) and each act must have three good fonts to be moral. Foreplay is no exception. Some acts of foreplay are moral, and others are immoral. In particular, intrinsically evil sexual acts are gravely immoral to use, even in marriage, for the purpose of foreplay, about the same time as a good act of natural marital relations.

I’m going to skip over some tweets that are redundant, or to which I have essentially replied above or below. But Gordon did use some personal attacks and negative rhetoric, such as “It’s sheer nuttery. I don’t know what is behind your daft and indefensible position…” And my reply is that I have the same position on marital sexual ethics as Saint Alphonsus Liguori, and I am presenting the teachings of Sacred Scripture, the Saints, John Paul II, and the Magisterium on this topic, not some unique position of my own. Also, my book reviews 11 different priests and theologians who have similar positions. (I don’t know if they agree on every point.)

Gordon: “Anytime climax happens outside the right place, it’s sinful (pollution).”

Yes, it would be sinful (if deliberate of course). However, Gordon later approves of climax for the wife while the spouses are not one flesh and when there is no procreative finality. So he contradicts himself.

By the way, Fr. Chad Ripperger agrees that pollution outside the natural act is gravely immoral for the wife as well as for the husband.

Ripperger : “Among the married, some kinds of foreplay are permissible, and some are not.”

“Pollution also applies to women…. the same actually applies to women as does to men. I know that some moralists say that it’s okay for women to … reach climax outside the context of [marital sex] and that it’s fine as long as the male doesn’t do it. But the moralists … the Saints and those who’ve written based on the Saints say that that’s not the case…. because God condemned Onanism in the Old Testament, you can’t engage in anything that is basically on the level of Onanism, and so you have to be very careful about observing that.”

So my position is not unique, and is found among Catholic theologians today, as well as in past times.

Gordon: “I’ve read your stuff. I don’t have much time for a whole Twitter debate. How about we debate it on my show or in front of a live audience? Consider the gauntlet thrown down. I’ll whup you and end your nonsense for good. You game?”

He has not read (yet) my book “The Catholic Marriage Bed: Revised Edition” which was just released. He must have read some older posts or articles some years ago.

I declined his offer for a debate on a live show. I think this topic requires written theological arguments. Mine are in many articles at Catechism.cc and in my book The Catholic Marriage Bed. Gordon has no book or articles (AFAIK) on this topic. Also, his heavy use of negative rhetoric and personal attacks, as well as his repeated false statements on this topic lead me to conclude that I should not participate in such a live debate.

Gordon: “lol. You just don’t want to get pwned and lose the rest of your credibility. You just make stuff up and call it Church teaching. Back to fooling the rubes. I know you know what Jone says and reject it out of hand.”

What theologian speaks this way? Across several tweets: “pwned, fooling the rubes, the gauntlet thrown down, whup you, you game?, sheer nuttery, lol, daft, neo-Puritan, pot/kettle”.

But soon afterward, Fr. Dave Nix, whose position seems to be similar to my own, offered to debate Gordon.

Fr. Nix to Gordon: “Quote me on this thread and debate me. I’ll take you on publicly or privately, as I said.”

And Gordon’s reply was silence (as far as I know). Perhaps they will debate at some time. Fr. Nix also cited Fr. Hugh Barbour on this topic, whose position is also similar to my own and contrary to Gordon, Christopher West, et alia.

“And I suppose you don’t like Prummer either? The argument from silence is also incredibly strong. If foreplay leading up to unitive climax were wrong, don’t you think the Magisterium would have mentioned it like ever?”

“The argument from silence?” Okay. Pope Saint John Paul II wrote and spoke extensively on marital sexual ethics, and he never once approved of the use of unnatural sexual acts in marriage, even as foreplay, even without male climax. Never did he approve of the wife’s climax outside the natural act either. He instead requires each sexual act to be unitive and procreative. [https://ronconte.com/2019/11/16/a-twitter-debate-on-marital-sexual-ethics/]

Below is an old Catholic Monitor post on Christopher West:

Christopher West and the Theology of Looking at Naked People

Here is a post I did in August 16, 2014. I wasn't a Traditionalist at the time so I would probably write it differently now. But, it still shows some of the problems with Theology of the Body:

I hadn't thought of writing in over a year until, a some weeks ago, I read Alice von Hildebrand's new book "The Dark Night of the Body" which is on the problems with Christopher West's Theology of the Body (TOB) and how it misrepresents the Pope John Paul II's teaching in some areas. 

The book is excellent, but it and all the articles, I read, on this subject seemed flawed because they didn't use quotes from TOB refuting West's misunderstandings.

I felt called to write an article that remedied this deficiency.
Fred
 PS-Below is the article and scholar Thomas Howard's email commenting on my article. (Mr. Howard wrote a blurb for the back cover of von Hildebrand's"The Dark Night of the Body.")     


Dear Mr. Martinez:



I think your piece on Chris West does touch on the crux of the difficulty that he poses for those (including me) who want to remain faithful to biblical and catholic teaching on sexual morality. It certainly has seemed to a lot of us that Chris sails far too near the wind, and that some of his statements grant too much to us mortals, e.g., "looking" without "lusting." Show me the man who lives that way!

I should think Dr. von Hildebrand would appreciate your contribution to the discussion!

Best regards,

Tom Howard

Is Christopher West the Next Fr. Corapi?


 "If [Christopher West is] saying that unavoidable near occasions of sin present an opportunity to practice virtue, he's right. If he's saying this does not at least begin with keeping custody of the eyes, he wrong. Very wrong. Stupidly wrong. ... If he's advising [this] he should be stripped of his EWTN Rock Star status as Fr. Corapi” according to Thomas Leith.

["’Smoking Guns’ of West's Theology” by Wade St. Onge, http://wademichaelstonge.blogspot.com/2012/02/tob-smoking-guns-of-wests-theology.html]

This piece is not about knocking down West’s general body of work, or even for that matter Corapi’s, they have brought thousands of souls back to the faith. My niece says of them:

“I credit Christopher West teachings, in large part, for bringing me and my husband back to the faith.  I pray that he is not the next Fr.Corapi, as I was so heartbroken in watching how things played out with him. Along with Theology of the Body, I owe Father much credit for reeling me back to the Church.” 

I hope that West will not become the next fallen EWTN Rock Star.


His general body of work seems sound, but he makes two mistakes that have sent him on a path of teaching incorrectly some aspects of the total and true meaning of Theology of the Body (TOB) of Pope John Paul ll.

 In a Protestant fashion he appears to be a sola-Theology of the Body and therefore ignores critics who don’t quote TOB, but quote past Popes or Doctors of the Church.

As did Martin Luther with the Bible phrase “justified by faith apart from works,” he is taking a certain passage of the Pope’s TOB teachings which he makes all important while ignoring other passages in that body of work that bring out the full meaning of that passage.
West's “justified by faith apart from works” phrase from John Paul II is:

“In mature purity, man enjoys the fruits of victory over concupiscence.”

On the set of a TV interview, he showed how his total focus on this phrase has lead him to deep error:

 “During a university TV interview of Christopher West [actually, a panel discussion on “Franciscan University Presents”] a professor [Dr. Scott Hahn] told West that if he were to see a friend’s wife [the friend being fellow panellist Dr. Regis Martin] naked, it would be his responsibility to look away.”
“West responded, ‘No, it would be to not lust.’ [Hahn] and West took turns repeating themselves until the moderator called for a break in the program.” [1] Drawing upon other accounts, this exchange began when West began speaking about his doctrine of “mature purity”, whereby when we grow enough in chastity, we should dispense with practicing “custody of the eyes” which is merely an initial “negative” step for those in the “purgative stage” of purity, and should instead look upon women and their God-given beauty with the ‘pure gaze of love.’”
  “Considering how contrary this is to the Catholic Tradition (as will be shown later), Hahn objected and told West we could never be sure we were in that state and that we would remain in that state if we gazed."
 Pope Puis Xll, St. Francis de Sales and other Doctors of the Church teach that “custody of the eyes can’t be dispensed.
Wade St. Onge says West and his supporters claim Doctors of the Church are “tainted by Manichaeism... something West's editor Sr. Lorraine explicitly stated about St. Francis de Sales. (See comment #25, at: http://thomasfortoday.blogspot.com/2010/10/janet-smith-responds-to-alice-von.html).”
[Wade St. Onge comment after “Christopher West is Anti-Purity” article posted by Paul Stilwell http://spikeisbest.blogspot.com/2012/03/christopher-wests-anti-purity.html]
Luther similarly had problems with Catholic Tradition and he ignored other parts of the bible such as St. Jame's "Faith without works is dead" which went against “justified by faith apart from works.”

Likewise, West ignores the Pope’s TOB phrases that are a sharp rejection his explanation of the “mature purity” phrase:
"[T]he Sermon on the Mount Christ did not invite man to return to the state of original innocence, because humanity has irrevocably left it behind ...The ethos of redemption contains in every area—and directly in the sphere of the lust of the flesh—the imperative of self-control, the necessity of immediate continence and of habitual temperance." [http://www.ewtn.com/library/PAPALDOC/jp2tb48.htm, Christ Calls Us to Rediscover the Living Forms of the New Man, GENERAL AUDIENCE OF 3 DECEMBER  1980]
 Looking at a friend’s naked wife instead of turning away is the opposite of the Catholic definition of immediate continence which is to control unruly movements of sexual desire; and habitual temperance which is to moderate sex desires of body emotions.
Pope John Paul ll expert Fr. Gregory Gresko explains in what way West is wrong in his understanding of the “mature purity” phrase.

First, he misunderstands that the TOB is talking about spouse's seeing the other spouse’s body. When the Pope speaks of the virtue of chastity in seeing or looking at bodies he is not talking about the "attempt to look at any body with the hope of seeing the other with pure eyes, West’s theological presentation is under serious threat of becoming an apologia for pornography.”
Next, he is reducing persons to no more than bodies."

What West "is missing from the discussion is the greatest need to love other persons most, encountering them as integrated bodies and souls."

Here is Fr. Greskois full discussion on West's misinterpretation of the “mature purity” phrase:

"Such purity involves one spouse’s ability to see the other spouse’s body in purity.  Spouses certainly should not be seeking to look at other persons’ naked bodies (except when necessary to care for their children or when medically required, with the obvious complete respect for human dignity that is due).”

“However, West argues that mature purity at a virtuous level signifies being able to look at any body and maintaining perfect chastity; if he has to look away, West states that he is merely continent but not virtuous, although admitting that the vast majority of persons would find themselves in such a position.  If discussions on the virtue of chastity, or “mature purity”, attempt to look at any body with the hope of seeing the other with pure eyes, West’s theological presentation is under serious threat of becoming an apologia for pornography, which is precisely the separation of the body from the person.” 
 “West spends much time talking about the importance of loving others’ bodies properly, but what is missing from the discussion is the greatest need to love other persons most, encountering them as integrated bodies and souls, with virginal innocence.  Loving persons accordingly is consonant with Karol Cardinal Wojtyla’s articulation of the personalistic norm in Love and Responsibility, without reducing the person to mere bodiliness."[http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/column.php?n=2164]

Is this misinterpretation of the Pope’s TOB an apology for pornography?

 Inside the Vatican writer Simcha Fisher’s book review of West ‘s At the Heart of the Gospel claims the author support pornography:

“A generous reading of West’s claim that evil is to be suffered rather than thrown out is that he would never intend his words to be used to support pornography. However, he uses those very same words in a January 2012 online audio interview promoting At the Heart of the Gospel—and this time there is no question about what he means:”
“There’s always something good behind the evil that we have to reclaim, that we have to take back. On this topic, we could look at pornography, for example. Pornography is a great evil. It is destroying marriages, it is destroying families, it is wreaking havoc in our culture. And yet, we must not overreact. There is  something good behind it. What is good behind it? The human body in its nakedness. Behold, it is very good!”
I would rather say it is possible his teaching is a “serious threat of becoming an apologia for pornography.” It is possible he means the human body in its nakedness behind closed doors between two spouses is very good. However, his support of looking at a friend’s naked wife as a general norm from his misinterpretation of the “mature purity” weights against this interpretation
A main argument the author of At the Heart of the Gospel uses in his defense of his misinterpretation of “mature purity” is his story of “two bishops.”
Dawn Eden says West claims it is “adapted from the story of Bishop St. Nonnus of Edessa and the harlot Pelagia.”  Here is West’s distorted version of story of St. Nonnus as recorded by Eden:  
                             
“The following story illustrates what mature Christian purity looks like. Two bishops walked out of a cathedral just as a scantily clad prostitute passed by. One bishop immediately turned away. The other bishop looked at her intently. The bishop who turned away exclaimed, ‘Brother bishop, what are you doing? Turn your eyes!’”
 “When the bishop turned around, he lamented with tears streaming down his face, ‘How tragic that such beauty is being sold to the lusts of men.’ Which one of those bishops was vivified with the ethos of redemption? Which one had passed over from merely meeting the demands of the law to a superabounding fulfillment of the law?”
“West explains that ‘the bishop who looked away was continent, but the bishop who saw rightly was virtuous.’”http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/christopher-west-and-company-vs-custody-of-the-eyes]
Below is the true story of St. Nonnus:
“While Bishop of Heliopolis, St. Nonnus went with his deacon to Antioch for a synod with the Archbishop of Antioch and six other bishops. While there, St. Nonnus was asked to preach on the steps of the church one day after Divine Liturgy. Just then, Pelagia, the most notorious prostitute in Antioch, passed by with a crowd of foolish young men. The seven other bishops averted their gaze as to not be tempted by her appearance, but St. Nonnus stared intently at her, weeping that such great beauty was being wasted on such great sin and that she cares for her body even more than he cares for his soul.”
“He spent that night in tears praying for her conversion saying, ‘O Lord, suffer not the work of Thy hands to perish, and permit not such beauty to remain in subjection to the demons. But do Thou turn her to Thyself, that Thy holy name may be glorified in her, for all things are possible for Thee.’"
“During the course of this night, he had a vision that he was at the altar during the Divine Liturgy. A black dove flew in, circled his head, and smelled so foul that he could not abide the stench. When the deacon cried out ‘Catechumens depart’, the dove left. After Divine Liturgy, the dove returned, still filthy, and St. Nonnus plunged it into the baptismal font. The dove emerged pure white and flew away.”

“The next morning, a Sunday, after Divine Liturgy, St. Nonnus was again asked to preach. St. Pelagia again happened by and was moved to tears by his sermon. She wrote with her own hand, ‘To Christ’s holy disciple from the devil’s disciple, a sinful woman. I have heard that your God has bowed the heavens and come down to earth, not to save the righteous but sinners.’”
The West story is a distortion in the same way it would be a distortion to tell the story of Jesus’ mercy in saving the adulteress from being stoned if one left out Jesus’ parting words to her. “Go now and sin no more.”
In one sense West is right it could be Christ like to look intently at another person who happened to be scantily clad or naked if ones consuming concern were her soul; if West’s story were told like this it could possibly not be distortion of the true story.
But even considering all the above Eden adds:
“Most significantly, when Pelagia then writes to the bishop and asks to see him, he agrees only on the condition that there be other bishops present. ‘[S]eek not to tempt my weakness,’ he writes.’ Eden explains: ‘It is not surprising that West omits that last detail, as, by his own definition, it would mean Bishop St. Nonnus was insufficiently virtuous.”
My advice to West is to stop telling a distorted even false story of Bishop St. Nonnus. If he is to tell the story, tell the total true story.
The tragedy of the story is not that such a beautiful body should be sold to the lusts of men instead of that men who are of “mature purity” should look upon that woman’s scantily clad or naked body with her “God-given beautiful body” with the “pure gaze of love.”

 The tragedy of Pelagia is “that she cares for her body even more than he cares for his soul.”

It would be a tragedy if Christopher West cared more for his misinterpretation of “mature purity” than the true teachings of the Pope’s Theology of the Body.
Pope John Paul ll specifically teaches in his TOB section on “the privacy of one's own body:”
“The person of developed sensitivity overcomes the limit of that shame with difficulty and interior resistance. This is seen clearly even in situations which justify the necessity of undressing the body, such as in the case of medical examinations or operations. Mention should also be made especially of other circumstances, such as those of concentration camps or places of extermination, where the violation of bodily shame is a method used deliberately to destroy personal sensitivity and the sense of human dignity. “
“The same rule is confirmed everywhere—though in different ways. Following personal sensitivity, man does not wish to become an object for others through his own anonymous nakedness. Nor does he wish the other to become an object for him in a similar way.
[https://www.ewtn.com/library/PAPALDOC/jp2tb60.htm, Reflections on the Ethos of the Human Body in Works of Artistic Culture, April 22, 1981]

Another  tragedy besides  West teaching  the opposite of the Pope’s TOB teachings would be that the great beauty of most of West’s work which have brought so many back to the Church and away from sin might be wasted.

Following the example of St. Nonnus, I pray daily for Christopher West not to waste his great God-given talent and work on the pride of one mistake.
I, also, pray daily for Fr. Corapi not waste he great God-given talent and work.
Please Christopher West don’t break more hearts.

Please Fr. Corapi help to heal the broken hearts of those like who my niece who love your work. Return to the Church.

Pray an Our Father now that God give you the grace to do what He is calling you to do and for the conversion of those resisting God.
 
Stop for a moment of silence, ask Jesus Christ what He wants you to do now and next. In this silence remember God, Father, Son and Holy Ghost - Three Divine Persons yet One God, has an ordered universe where you can know truth and falsehood as well as never forget that He wants you to have eternal happiness with Him as his son or daughter by grace. Make this a practice. By doing this you are doing more good than reading anything here or anywhere else on the Internet.

Francis Notes:

- Doctor of the Church St. Francis de Sales totally confirmed beyond any doubt the possibility of a heretical pope and what must be done by the Church in such a situation:

"[T]he Pope... WHEN he is EXPLICITLY a heretic, he falls ipso facto from his dignity and out of the Church, and the Church MUST either deprive him, or, as some say, declare him deprived, of his Apostolic See."
(The Catholic Controversy, by St. Francis de Sales, Pages 305-306)


Saint Robert Bellarmine, also, said "the Pope heretic is not deposed ipso facto, but must be declared deposed by the Church."
[https://archive.org/stream/SilveiraImplicationsOfNewMissaeAndHereticPopes/Silveira%20Implications%20of%20New%20Missae%20and%20Heretic%20Popes_djvu.txt]

- "If Francis is a Heretic, What should Canonically happen to him?": http://www.thecatholicmonitor.com/2020/12/if-francis-is-heretic-what-should.html

- "Could Francis be a Antipope even though the Majority of Cardinals claim he is Pope?": http://www.thecatholicmonitor.com/2019/03/could-francis-be-antipope-even-though.html

 -  LifeSiteNews, "Confusion explodes as Pope Francis throws magisterial weight behind communion for adulterers," December 4, 2017:

The AAS guidelines explicitly allows "sexually active adulterous couples facing 'complex circumstances' to 'access the sacraments of Reconciliation and the Eucharist.'"

-  On February 2018, in Rorate Caeli, Catholic theologian Dr. John Lamont:

"The AAS statement... establishes that Pope Francis in Amoris Laetitia has affirmed propositions that are heretical in the strict sense."

- On December 2, 2017, Bishop Rene Gracida:

"Francis' heterodoxy is now official. He has published his letter to the Argentina bishops in Acta Apostlica Series making those letters magisterial documents."


- [2017] Pope’s Letter on Argentinian Communion Guidelines for Remarried Given Official Status

A letter from Pope Francis praising episcopal guidelines that would allow divorced and remarried Catholics to receive Holy Communion in some cases while living in a state of objective grave sin has now been added to the official acts of the Apostolic See [AAS], conferring official status on what was formerly considered by many to be merely private communication — and raising the stakes on the Amoris Laetitia debate significantly.

Of the guidelines issued by the bishops of the Buenos Aires region that would open “the possibility of access to the sacraments of Reconciliation and the Eucharist” in “complex circumstances” where “limitations that lessen the responsibility and guilt” of couples who will not make the commitment to “live in continence” despite living in an objectively adulterous situation, the pope said in his letter that “The document is very good and completely explains the meaning of chapter VIII of Amoris Laetitia. There are no other interpretations.”

In August of this year, this letter was added to the Vatican website as a papal document available for public reference. Concerns were raised that what had previously been viewed as only private correspondence — and thus, completely outside the realm of papal magisterium — was being given the appearance of an official papal act. [https://catholictruthscotland.com/2017/12/03/concern-over-pope-francis-grows-schism-looms-cardinals-must-act/]


Pray an Our Father now for the restoration of the Church by the bishops by the grace of God.

Election Notes:  

- Intel Cryptanalyst-Mathematician on Biden Steal: "212Million Registered Voters & 66.2% Voting,140.344 M Voted...Trump got 74 M, that leaves only 66.344 M for Biden" [http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2020/12/intel-cryptanalyst-mathematician-on.html?m=1]

- Will US be Venezuela?: Ex-CIA Official told Epoch Times "Chávez started to Focus on [Smartmatic] Voting Machines to Ensure Victory as early as 2003": http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2020/12/will-us-be-venezuela-ex-cia-official.html

- Tucker Carlson's Conservatism Inc. Biden Steal Betrayal is explained by “One of the Greatest Columns ever Written" according to Rush: http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2021/01/tucker-carlsons-conservatism-inc-biden.html?m=1
 
- A Hour which will Live in Infamy: 10:01pm November 3, 2020:
http://www.thecatholicmonitor.com/2021/01/a-hour-which-will-live-in-infamy-1001pm.html?m=1
 
What is needed right now to save America from those who would destroy our God given rights is to pray at home or in church and if called to even go to outdoor prayer rallies in every town and city across the United States for God to pour out His grace on our country to save us from those who would use a Reichstag Fire-like incident to destroy our civil liberties. [Is the DC Capitol Incident Comparable to the Nazi Reichstag Fire Incident where the German People Lost their Civil Liberties?: http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2021/01/is-dc-capital-incident-comparable-to.html?m=1 and Epoch Times Show Crossroads on Capitol Incident: "Anitfa 'Agent Provocateurs'":
http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2021/01/epoch-times-show-crossroads-on-capital.html?m=1

Pray an Our Father now for the grace to know God's Will and to do it.
 
Pray an Our Father now for America.
 
Pray an Our Father now for the restoration of the Church as well as the Triumph of the Kingdom of the Sacred Heart and the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

Comments

Aqua said…
Reading this, I am reminded of a class, declared to be mandatory attendance for all married couples who had not received marriage instruction from an SSPX Priest. As a convert, who was married when I was a Protestant over 30 years ago, I attended.

The rules - No kids. Lock the doors. Take notes is fine, but no recordings allowed.

The teaching was pure orthodoxy. That's all I'll say. It was so simple. It was so obviously true.

I mostly wanted to hi-light what our Priest said at the end in response to the question: "where can we get additional resources to continue up our study"?

His response: "You can't".

Funny. Why?

This material is available only in Latin.me it will remain so, to prevent misinterpretation and misunderstanding. Receive this instruction from your Priest. If you have questions, ask your Priest.

Yeah .... I don't think Chris West or the Gordon Bros have anything to say to me on this. I like my Priest. I respect him a lot. He's keeping me on the straight and narrow. On any question I only want to know - what does Sacred Tradition say - and I need to have confidence that I will receive that answer in full. I have found that. I highly recommend it - SSPX Parish life.

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  Archbishop Edgar Peña Parra with Francis Today, the Call Me Jorge website asked "What could be so important that Francis interrupted his weekly adulation [Audience] session?": Pope gets a phone call during the Audience. Haven’t seen this before. Then he quickly leaves and says he will be back. pic.twitter.com/npCuPzdnxP — The Catholic Traveler (@MountainButorac) August 11, 2021 It was Abp. Mons. Edgar Robinson Peña Parra, Substitute for the Secretariat of State, who was involved in the recent scandal of mismanagement during the acquisition of a € 300 million building in London. Still no word on what the phone call was about . [http://callmejorgebergoglio.blogspot.com/2021/08/what-could-be-so-important-that-francis.html] Who is Archbishop Edgar Robinson Peña Parra ? Parra according to the Catholic Herald is Francis's "right-hand man"[https://catholicherald.co.uk/roman-curia-the-popes-new-right-hand-man/] In 2019, Life Site News reported that Parra alleged

Might it be Good for all of us & for Francis to Read about the "Gruesome Death of Arius"?

  I have read the letters of your piety , in which you have requested me to make known to you the events of my times relating to myself, and to give an account of that most impious heresy of the Arians , in consequence of which I have endured these sufferings, and also of the manner of the death of Arius . With two out of your three demands I have readily undertaken to comply, and have sent to your Godliness what I wrote to the Monks; from which you will be able to learn my own history as well as that of the heresy . But with respect to the other matter, I mean the death, I debated with myself for a long time, fearing lest any one should suppose that I was exulting in the death of that man. But yet, since a disputation which has taken place among you concerning the heresy , has issued in this question, whether Arius died after previously communicating with the Church ; I therefore was necessarily desirous of giving an account of his death, as thinking that the question woul