"If Francis IS a Valid and Licit Pope ... then we have a Problem" & "If he's an Antipope, there is Nothing Good that can possibly come from this Consecration; even if it *Appears* to be Good"
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Only three pieces of wisdom I have:
1) "Thy Will Be Done";
2) Choose BOLDLY (for or against Our Lord Jesus);
3) Most of this world you see is Barking Madness.
The popular Twitter pundit D.E. Meikle said in The Catholic Monitor comment section "If Francis IS a valid and licit pope... then we have a problem" and the well known commenter Aqua said " if he's an antipope, there is nothing good that can possibly come from this consecration; even if it *appears* to be good." Here are their CM comment posts:
Considering “it’s above my pay grade” I give this parable:
Middle school math students have just learned algebra. They know that 1 + 1 = 2. They are wondering what 2 + 2 is. One boy chirps up it is 4. The rest of the students are incredulous. “How do you know?” He just says they must take what they know and multiply both side by two. Then they protest he is arrogant and has no authority to tell them what 2 + 2 is. “Only the teacher can tell us what 2 + 2 is.”
One can understand that a non-Catholic can’t run the Catholic Church without canonically declaring it. What isn’t lawfully declared isn’t morally binding on others. But God knows exactly what you are thinking. He knows when you understand the Church’s teachings on heresy and the papacy. Even if no one else is bound by your thoughts, you are. Just like heresy automatically kicking you out without nobody declaring it.
Middle school math students have just learned algebra. They know that 1 + 1 = 2. They are wondering what 2 + 2 is. One boy chirps up it is 4. The rest of the students are incredulous. “How do you know?” He just says they must take what they know and multiply both side by two. Then they protest he is arrogant and has no authority to tell them what 2 + 2 is. “Only the teacher can tell us what 2 + 2 is.”
One can understand that a non-Catholic can’t run the Catholic Church without canonically declaring it. What isn’t lawfully declared isn’t morally binding on others. But God knows exactly what you are thinking. He knows when you understand the Church’s teachings on heresy and the papacy. Even if no one else is bound by your thoughts, you are. Just like heresy automatically kicking you out without nobody declaring it.
What I am saying is that just because something is the case it does not
mean the law will instantly declare it. Just because nobody has yet
lawfully declared it doesn’t mean it isn’t ontologically true.
I’ve found that many people suppose canon law is divine law.
I’ve found that many people suppose canon law is divine law.
Anonymous: No "like" buttons here, so ... this will have to do. Simple
parables like this really do serve to clarify the obscure. And it is a
perfect response to those who insist we must accept injustice and fraud
because that is what we are told to do by wicked me in the Church (men
are variously wicked, Holy Mother Church is pure).
It really serves to underscore the duty we all share to participate in and defend the body of Truth which is Sacred Tradition - the quantifiable patrimony which is over and above any living man, even a Pope whose duty is to serve and protect that which is handed down to us all (not just him).
I have often referred to a similar parable: One is witness to a murder. You know the murder happened because you saw it with your own eyes - you were there, or watched in closed circuit tv. You can't render judgement and execute the perpetrator based on your knowledge - only competent authority can formally declare verdict and sentence. That doesn't change what you know. And a judgement that alters the facts to an unjust judgement - "his race or experiences nullified the crime, and renders him legally innocent" - does not make him "ontologically" innocent.
Lies and deceptions seem to be the spirit of the age - the spiritual air we breath. It is very difficult to remain within the structure of truth in such times as these. Keeping it simple, like you do here, helps a lot.
It really serves to underscore the duty we all share to participate in and defend the body of Truth which is Sacred Tradition - the quantifiable patrimony which is over and above any living man, even a Pope whose duty is to serve and protect that which is handed down to us all (not just him).
I have often referred to a similar parable: One is witness to a murder. You know the murder happened because you saw it with your own eyes - you were there, or watched in closed circuit tv. You can't render judgement and execute the perpetrator based on your knowledge - only competent authority can formally declare verdict and sentence. That doesn't change what you know. And a judgement that alters the facts to an unjust judgement - "his race or experiences nullified the crime, and renders him legally innocent" - does not make him "ontologically" innocent.
Lies and deceptions seem to be the spirit of the age - the spiritual air we breath. It is very difficult to remain within the structure of truth in such times as these. Keeping it simple, like you do here, helps a lot.
Well maybe this will be our moment of sign, but perhaps it will work out differently than many think:
1) If Francis IS a valid and licit pope (issues where there are real dubia) then we have a problem. A resulting supernatural Grace from this consecration would be seen by many as validation of his papacy. Francis is an open collaborator with the ideas of the “World Economic Forum” and the globalist “New World Order”(WEF/NOW). If Francis' telos is correct, then the previous Faith of 2,000 years will have been shown to have been false, they cannot both be true (law of non-contradiction); or
2) If Francis is NOT valid/licit and he attempts this consecration he does so without juridic authority. Which means he invites some pretty nasty stuff demon-wise upon himself and those in union with him. Catholic blogger Ann Barnhardt thinks may cause a nuke war. (I don’t agree- I think if the public Francis consecration does not help resolve things, it will cause a loss of faith in Fatima (and its real message which has never been properly distributed)).
Interesting times. Pray for the Ukraine, and pray that the Consecration of Russia happens as Our Lady directs and God wills, however that may come about. if Benedict is not publicly involved, I question the whole event next week [https://www.thecatholicmonitor.com/2022/03/would-consecration-of-russia-to-marys.html]
Pray an Our Father now for reparation for the sins committed because of Francis's Amoris Laetitia.
- quote ... and it's his entire comment" -
"Let’s consider this consecration in relationship to the actions of the False Prophet forerunner of the Antichrist.
Let’s say that Bergoglio does the consecration as reported – BUT – instead of being another botched job this one actually appears to bear fruit. Not a true peace, but the illusion of peace as part of another diabolically orchestrated plan in order for Bergoglio to gain universal acceptance among the nations. The complicit Luciferian controlled media quickly embrace Bergoglio as responsible for achieving peace to worldwide acclaim.
You’ll recall the warning of Our Lord in St. Matthew’s Gospel:
“For there shall arise false christs and false prophets, and shall show great signs and wonders, insomuch as to deceive (if possible) even the elect” – Matt 24:24
It is a reasonable supposition that the False Prophet will work signs and lying wonders. These “lying wonders” will gain credence for himself among unbelievers. The False Prophet may then persuade all infidels, apostates and apostate nations that salvation comes through the Globalist Great Reset New World Order of the Antichrist. (edited quote from Fr. Herman Kramer, The Book of Destiny, pdf p. 283; See also 2 Thessalonians 2:9)"
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A seemingly miraculous success might be the secret sauce that they used to compel obedience among all,people on earth - glad to be saved from destruction snd willing to follow wherever such a wise and "holy" man might lead. Except - as in the book Lord Of the World (Robert Hugh Benson) - Christ is absent, replaced by wise benevolent rulers that worship "higher powers" and the ultimate deity is the peoples of mankind.
Basically, if he's an antipope, there is nothing good that can possibly come from this consecration; even if it *appears* to be good (as Michael proposes), it will still be bad, because God is not in it - by definition it is dead, it belongs to Satan ... it is a binary choice.
I simply can't understand how any Catholic can be Agnostic about the identity of the Pope. It is the most important visible, physical thing in our Church. This possible Fatima consecration is but a glaring recent example. In infinite practical and meaningful ways, the Pope is crucial to our Faith; an antipope is deadly. It goes on and on as we descend further snd further into the brink.