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Renowned Catholic Historian: "No Pope [before Benedict]... has ever Resigned before still claim[ing] to participate in the Petrine Munus... He’s telling us in his Declarazio, that he is still Papal in some Ontological Sense"

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Dr. Edmund Mazza... on EWTN Live with Fr. Mitch Pacwa in conjunction with Mazza’s July 2015 Conference at New York University commemorating the 750th anniversary of the birth of Dante Alighieri.

In an interview on PCM, renowned Catholic historian Dr. Edmund Mazza, a former full professor of history at Azuza Pacific University, revealed that "No pope who has ever resigned before still claimed to participate in the Petrine munus... He’s telling us in his declarazio, that he is still papal in some ontological sense":

Dr. Edmund Mazza:

And then in 2016, his personal assistant, Archbishop Georg Ganswain gave a famous address at the Gregoriam in Rome, in May of 2016, in which he kind of expounded on what Benedict had said in his declarazio. And he also talks about munus and ministerium. And what this did, was it set off certain people, like Ann Barnhardt, the blogger. And she began to wonder about this munus and ministerium thing. And even earlier than her, other people had as well. In the month of February, the very month when Pope Benedict issued his delarazio, there was an Italian Canonist named Stefano Violi, and he concentrated on that as well.

So reading all of these people encouraged me to go back and see how does Pope Benedict understand munus? How does he understand ministerium? And I’ll try to put it in layman’s terms, but I’ll just preface what I’m about to say by saying that when you talk to other people that think that Pope Benedict might still be pope, they might have a different nuance than myself. Most of the people who think that Benedict resigned invalidly think that it has to do with a very tight distinction between munus and ministerium...

... Myself, I think it has to do with multiple meanings of the word munus. So I don’t want to lose people in the weeds here, but let me give you a little bit from his speech, from his declarazio. And then we’ll try to analyze my own take on that. So this is what he says in the English translation. He says, “My strengths owing to an advanced age are no longer suited to an adequate exercise of the Petrine ministry”. I am well aware, that this ministry because of its essential spiritual nature must be carried out, not only with words and deeds, but no less with prayer and suffering. Now I won’t read the Latin text, but if you want me to, at some point I can do that...

... “Vires Meas Ingravescente aetate non iam aptas esse ad munus Petrinum aeque administrandum.” And I can just tell you briefly, he’s basically saying I’m no longer suited to exercising, administering, the petrine munus. And he says, “Bene conscius hoc non solum agendomunus secundum suam essentiam spiritualum agendo et loquendo exsequi debere, sed non munus patiendo et orando. So he’s saying that I’m aware of the fact that this ministry, now he translates the word ministry with munus here. He equates them in this line. I am well aware of the essential spiritual nature of the munus, that it’s not only carried out by words and deeds, but it’s also carried out by prayer and suffering

Now, this is important because in Gaswain’s speech from May of 2016, this is what Gaswain says commenting on Benedict’s renunciation of Feb 2013. The key word in that statement is munus Petrinum. Translated as happens most of the time with Petrine ministry and yet munus in Latin has a multiplicity of meanings.  It can mean service, duty, guide, or gift, even prodigy. Now here’s the money line from Ganswain. “Before and after his resignation Benedict understood and understands his task as participation in such a Petrine ministry i.e., munus. He has left the papal throne and yet with the step made on Feb 11th 2013, he has not at all abandoned this ministry...

What you talking about Willis? No pope who has ever resigned before still claimed to participate in the Petrine munus.

Patrick Coffin: 

[Jokingly] Yea, Richard Nixon’s secretary never issued a statement like that about his 1973, flying away, similarly in a helicopter. Well, he somehow remains in the shadow of the White House, in some participatory way. That’s very strange.

Dr. Edmund Mazza: 

And the other strange thing about Pope Benedict’s renunciation, if you want to call it that is that he takes the title Pope Emeritus. Now what is that supposed to mean? Well its got something to do with what Ganswain is talking about and its got something to do with what Benedict just said in the line I quoted from his declarazio. That the papacy is not only carried out by words and deeds, it’s carried out by prayer and suffering. So on some ontological level, He’s telling us in his declarazio, that he is still papal in some ontological sense. [  and]

Note: About Dr. Edmund J. Mazza

Edmund J. Mazza is [a former] Professor of History at Azusa Pacific University in Los Angeles where he [taught] Ancient, Medieval, and Renaissance and Reformation History. Dr. Mazza has contributed chapters on these subjects for Cognella Press’s forthcoming, A History of the Premodern World. Dr. Mazza is also the author of the brand new book The Scholastics and the Jews, Coexistence and Conversion and the Medieval Origins of Tolerance.  

Mazza and his wife were... guests on EWTN Live with Fr. Mitch Pacwa in conjunction with Mazza’s July 2015 Conference at New York University commemorating the 750th anniversary of the birth of Dante Alighieri. In 2012 Mazza organized “Mary, Sign of Faith: An International Symposium” in Rome. In 2010 he was selected for a National Endowment for the Humanities Summer Seminar, “Aristotle on Truth and Meaning” at San Diego State University. Dr. Mazza is the author of several articles in the online journal Catholic World Report. Mazza’s research has taken him from the Vatican’s Secret Archives to the lost tomb of St. Francis Xavier in Malaysia. He is a frequent guest on AM 930 Immaculate Heart Radio’s “Terry & Jesse Show.” Dr. Mazza often speaks at the Sacred Heart Chapel in Covina. His DVDs and CDs on Church History are available from Lighthouse Catholic Media/St. Joseph Communications.[]

Pray an Our Father now for reparation for the sins committed because of Francis's Amoris Laetitia.

Pray an Our Father now for the restoration of the Church as well as the Triumph of the Kingdom of the Sacred Heart and the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

Stop for a moment of silence, ask Jesus Christ what He wants you to do now and next. In this silence remember God, Father, Son and Holy Ghost - Three Divine Persons yet One God, has an ordered universe where you can know truth and falsehood as well as never forget that He wants you to have eternal happiness with Him as his son or daughter by grace. Make this a practice. By doing this you are doing more good than reading anything here or anywhere else on the Internet.

Francis Notes:

- Doctor of the Church St. Francis de Sales totally confirmed beyond any doubt the possibility of a heretical pope and what must be done by the Church in such a situation:

"[T]he Pope... WHEN he is EXPLICITLY a heretic, he falls ipso facto from his dignity and out of the Church, and the Church MUST either deprive him, or, as some say, declare him deprived, of his Apostolic See."
(The Catholic Controversy, by St. Francis de Sales, Pages 305-306)

Saint Robert Bellarmine, also, said "the Pope heretic is not deposed ipso facto, but must be declared deposed by the Church."

- "If Francis is a Heretic, What should Canonically happen to him?":

- "Could Francis be a Antipope even though the Majority of Cardinals claim he is Pope?":

 -  LifeSiteNews, "Confusion explodes as Pope Francis throws magisterial weight behind communion for adulterers," December 4, 2017:

The AAS guidelines explicitly allows "sexually active adulterous couples facing 'complex circumstances' to 'access the sacraments of Reconciliation and the Eucharist.'"

-  On February 2018, in Rorate Caeli, Catholic theologian Dr. John Lamont:

"The AAS statement... establishes that Pope Francis in Amoris Laetitia has affirmed propositions that are heretical in the strict sense."

- On December 2, 2017, Bishop Rene Gracida:

"Francis' heterodoxy is now official. He has published his letter to the Argentina bishops in Acta Apostlica Series making those letters magisterial documents."

Pray an Our Father now for the restoration of the Church by the bishops by the grace of God.

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- A Hour which will Live in Infamy: 10:01pm November 3, 2020:
What is needed right now to save America from those who would destroy our God given rights is to pray at home or in church and if called to even go to outdoor prayer rallies in every town and city across the United States for God to pour out His grace on our country to save us from those who would use a Reichstag Fire-like incident to destroy our civil liberties. [Is the DC Capitol Incident Comparable to the Nazi Reichstag Fire Incident where the German People Lost their Civil Liberties?: and Epoch Times Show Crossroads on Capitol Incident: "Anitfa 'Agent Provocateurs'":

Pray an Our Father now for the grace to know God's Will and to do it.
Pray an Our Father now for America.
Pray an Our Father now for the restoration of the Church as well as the Triumph of the Kingdom of the Sacred Heart and the Immaculate Heart of Mary.


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