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"Many professional Catholics... making sure... faithful Catholics believe their only options are rejecting six popes or accepting Francis as pope, even though day by day the latter is becoming more & more untenable"

Anonymous [Johnno?] said…
I am not accusing Steve [O'Reilly] of having this intention, but what many professional Catholics do is making sure a faithful Catholics believe their only options are rejecting six popes or accepting Francis as pope, even though day by day the latter is becoming more and more untenable--and many will be tempted to the former. []
  1. Johnno
  2. [O'Reilly said] It may be one thing to wonder about the question in light of the Bergoglian pontificate, and wait for the Church/future pope to address Benedict or Francis question one day; but it is quite another to declare absolutely Benedict is pope, issue and sign the aforementioned petitions. It is unfortunate, but this is heading toward a schism.

    Steven [O'Reilly], what are you prepared to declare about Francis’ letter to the Argentinian Bishops in the Acta Apostolis Sedes clearly that “there is no other interpretation” to his formal allowance of Holy Communion for public unrepentant adulterers? Or for that matter also from the Acta Apostolis Sedes that God (positively?) wills all religions?

    Are you going to sit back and wait for the Church/future pope to address Francis on these question one day? Is something that simply obvious and obstinately heretical even in need of addressing by all the King’s horses and all the King’s men? Are you waiting for Burke to finally remember he promised to do something about it before to goes to the grave like the other signatories of his dubia?

    I don’t bring this up as some settlement to the matter of who is the Pope. But rather, that it seems to me that you are on a more certain path towards sedevacantism than the BiPs many are predicting will go at some hypothetical time in the future.

    You also seem to want a double standard. You take umbrage with those who “declare absolutely Benedict is pope”, but are you reciprocal enough to at least cease declaring that Francis is absolutely Pope until the matter is resolved? Are you willing to do at least that much? []

    1. Last year, The Catholic Monitor (CM) had .RomaLocutaEst, Steven O’Reilly, who is a former intelligence officer, visit its comment section in which he and the publisher of CM had a back and forth.

    I asked Steve O'Reilly:

    "Is Communion for adulterers 'explicitly a here[sy]'? Answer: yes or no" 

    O'Reilly's answer in The Catholic Monitor comment section was:

    My reply, first, "heresy/heretic" can be used in a strict canonical/theological sense, or in a looser sense (i.e., as Lamont suggests). I do believe communion for adulterer is certainly an error -- or 'heretical' in this looser sense.

    Familiaris Consortio 84 repeats the perennial teaching of the Church on the question, and JP II speaks of the non-communion practice is what the Church 'professes in faithfulness to Christ' (that's a loose quote from memory) to say or allow the opposite, is to profess an error which is NOT faithful to Christ. So, what does it mean for Francis? John XXII was in error on the Beatific Vision, but as the doctrine up to that point had not been dogmatized...he was not technically a "heretic" in the strict sense. The next pope defined the question.

    Might Francis' case in this sense be analogous to John XXII...possibly. It is for the Church to decide the question, to examine Francis words (or lack of them) in this matter. Lamont might be right, but I've seen arguments, such as made by Cardinal Muller, that the Buenos Aires Guidelines in the AAS can be read in an orthodox sense (I think theologian Dr. Fastiggi make similar point to Muller) which would neutralize the AAS controversy -- if they are right. Personally, I think Muller has a hard go of it to prove his interpretation.

    My response was:

    Fred Martinez said…


    Thanks for the questions and your time and effort. As my regular CM readers know, I very rarely get involved in the comment section, but I consider you a gentleman and a friend whom I disagree with on some issues, but respect. I'm working and have a lot on my plate on top of that so I'm probably going to do a post or two on them. I may do a comment post on your comment on Cardinal Mueller's theory on Communion for adulterers which in my opinion is plainly ridiculous.

    O'Reilly's response was:


    ... to be clear...I wasn't saying I agree with Mueller's theory. My point is, there are divergent opinions on the question, even thought I have a hard time seeing how Mueller can hold his opinion. So, do not suggest I agree with Mueller. []

    The Catholic Monitor, again, asks O'Reilly:

    "Is Communion for adulterers 'explicitly a here[sy]'? Answer: yes or no" 

  3. Pray an Our Father now for reparation for the sins committed because of Francis’s Amoris Laetitia.

    Pray an Our Father now for the restoration of the Church as well as the Triumph of the Kingdom of the Sacred Heart and the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

    Stop for a moment of silence, ask Jesus Christ what He wants you to do now and next. In this silence remember God, Father, Son and Holy Ghost – Three Divine Persons yet One God, has an ordered universe where you can know truth and falsehood as well as never forget that He wants you to have eternal happiness with Him as his son or daughter by grace. Make this a practice. By doing this you are doing more good than reading anything here or anywhere else on the Internet.

    Francis Notes:

    – Doctor of the Church St. Francis de Sales totally confirmed beyond any doubt the possibility of a heretical pope and what must be done by the Church in such a situation:

    “[T]he Pope… WHEN he is EXPLICITLY a heretic, he falls ipso facto from his dignity and out of the Church, and the Church MUST either deprive him, or, as some say, declare him deprived, of his Apostolic See.”
    (The Catholic Controversy, by St. Francis de Sales, Pages 305-306)

    Saint Robert Bellarmine, also, said “the Pope heretic is not deposed ipso facto, but must be declared deposed by the Church.”

    – “If Francis is a Heretic, What should Canonically happen to him?”:

    – “Could Francis be a Antipope even though the Majority of Cardinals claim he is Pope?”:

    – If Francis betrays Benedict XVI & the”Roman Rite Communities” like he betrayed the Chinese Catholics we must respond like St. Athanasius, the Saintly English Bishop Robert Grosseteste & “Eminent Canonists and Theologians” by “Resist[ing]” him: 

     –  LifeSiteNews, “Confusion explodes as Pope Francis throws magisterial weight behind communion for adulterers,” December 4, 2017:

    The AAS guidelines explicitly allows “sexually active adulterous couples facing ‘complex circumstances’ to ‘access the sacraments of Reconciliation and the Eucharist.'”

    –  On February 2018, in Rorate Caeli, Catholic theologian Dr. John Lamont:

    “The AAS statement… establishes that Pope Francis in Amoris Laetitia has affirmed propositions that are heretical in the strict sense.”

    – On December 2, 2017, Bishop Rene Gracida:

    “Francis’ heterodoxy is now official. He has published his letter to the Argentina bishops in Acta Apostlica Series making those letters magisterial documents.”

    Pray an Our Father now for the restoration of the Church by the bishops by the grace of God.

    Election Notes: 

    – Intel Cryptanalyst-Mathematician on Biden Steal: “212Million Registered Voters & 66.2% Voting,140.344 M Voted…Trump got 74 M, that leaves only 66.344 M for Biden” []

    – Will US be Venezuela?: Ex-CIA Official told Epoch Times “Chávez started to Focus on [Smartmatic] Voting Machines to Ensure Victory as early as 2003”:

    – Tucker Carlson’s Conservatism Inc. Biden Steal Betrayal is explained by “One of the Greatest Columns ever Written” according to Rush:

    – A Hour which will Live in Infamy: 10:01pm November 3, 2020:

    What is needed right now to save America from those who would destroy our God given rights is to pray at home or in church and if called to even go to outdoor prayer rallies in every town and city across the United States for God to pour out His grace on our country to save us from those who would use a Reichstag Fire-like incident to destroy our civil liberties. [Is the DC Capitol Incident Comparable to the Nazi Reichstag Fire Incident where the German People Lost their Civil Liberties? and Epoch Times Show Crossroads on Capitol Incident: “Anitfa ‘Agent Provocateurs‘”:

    Pray an Our Father now for the grace to know God’s Will and to do it.

    Pray an Our Father now for America.

    Pray an Our Father now for the restoration of the Church as well as the Triumph of the Kingdom of the Sacred Heart and the Immaculate Heart of Mary.


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