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The Highly Respected Vox Cantoris & Aqua (with others) "Discuss" Mask Mandates in Church

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I was surprised to see that the highly respected Vox Cantoris and my friend Aqua (with others) "discuss[ing]" the mask mandate situation in the Church in my other website The Fred Martinez Report comment section. [https://www.thefredmartinezreport.com/2021/11/vox-cantoris-vs-aqua.html?showComment=1636554341584#c53553284915260947]

There was a lively back and forth that seemed worthy of being brought forth:

Comments

Laramie Hirsch said…
Wait, wait...Cantoris is DEFENDING all of this madness?!?
I like Vox, but not here. And I would miss Mass if I had to wear a mask.
Neofito said…
The Faith is the issue... not "the mass"...
Vox Cantoris said…
All of you have still failed to get my point but are having great fun, I see.

The bishop owns the churches through the structure of corporation sole. Look up what it means.

He decrees it and people have reported back. I have three examples in Ontario and Saskatchewan where the bishops/priests have shut it down. Another group is pushing the issue and is at risk.

Given TC what do you think one should do in a place that is not so friendly?

But you go ahead and you keep harping as if the issue is me instead of addressing that the issue happens to be people who care more about making a political statement during the holy sacrifice of the mass and preserving the actual presence of the mass and to keep it going in spite of the enemies. I shut down my COM box because people .can’t address the issue.

I have also taken an attestation at work that I am not jab with the poison death shot and as such now test three times a week for this I suppose you would say I am a sell out to Satan to.

Frankly I couldn’t give a damn if anyone of you ever read my blog again but I only came here because it was on Canon 212 and I suppose I’ve lost Frank as a friend too. Yeah none of you can address what to do in a case where the people won’t wear the mask and the bishop may threaten to shut down the community and you think just let that happen because you got to stand by your principles of the mess I got to stay at my feet like a little boy

Grow up.


Vox Cantoris said…
If you would miss mass because you have to wear a mask then you are objectively committing a mortal sin. I recall a Muslim one saying that if you really believe that God was present in that which you say is no longer a piece of bread why aren’t you crawling on the floor and bowing to him. It’s a good question. The masses everything and if you won’t put on a mask so you can attend the holy sacrifice then you need to go to confession and rethink what it means to be a Catholic Catholic
Aron Fernandez said…
Vox, it sounds like you have Stockholm Syndrome from being in Canada.
Red feather said…
I will not mask up in front of the Triune God. The mask mandates are conceived in malice and deceit. Better to build a priest hole and seek like-minded priests to celebrate the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass in the homes of parishioners who understand the truth of the matter.
Aqua said…
Vox, I really regret that this topic has come to this. I want you to know that I respect you highly for your blog efforts and your Catholic faithfulness which has been an inspiration to me, over the years I’ve followed you, off and on. I follow just a small number of Catholic blogs, and yours is one of them.

Also, your opinions on this topic don’t change my respect for you, your efforts or my appreciation for your Catholic Faith in any way, shape or form. It is a simple disagreement … although yes, it is a topic that is incredibly important.

My hope was that we could engage the topic respectfully on your blog. Your decision to close comments is yours to make (obviously) and yours alone. You needn’t open them again, ever. I respect that and understand, whichever way you choose to go. That being said, I do wish we could have continued to discuss this *respectfully*, as Christians, as brothers.in Christ,

I figure out solutions to intellectual problems by writing - more than any other activity, it is what allows me to come to grips with what I believe, why and how I believe it. It is helpful to have a discussion with those of other opinions to sharpen my beliefs; alter my course; clarify what might be cloudy and obscure. That is why I commented on Fred’s blog. Yours was closed and he had a topic that aligned so similarly with yours. It was si only natural to complete my thoughts here.

One last point I’d like to make to you, in reference to what you said above which extends what you said before in your original post, which has to do with the Bishops “owning the churches”. No doubt they do. But they do not own the Faith. They are participants in the Faith. To the extent they are in conformity to their Lord Jesus Christ, through Our Lady, submissive and protective of Sacred Tradition and all its Doctrines - to that extent alone they have IMMENSE authority to rule and my obedience to them is total. To the extent, however, they *depart* from Christ, His Mother, Tradition, Doctrine … the Communion of Saints … my obedience is situational to the extent it is under authority legitimately asserted. My obedience is to Christ, Mary, Tradition (incl the Bible), Doctrine … the Communion of Saints. The Bishop might close their doors to the Faithful, once again, but secular mask mandates as a condition of entry and participation in the Holy of Holies is simply not acceptable … to me.

As I said on my first response to you on your blog - still friends, I hope. Disagreement should be fine among friends. A tip of my cap to all the work you’ve ever done on behalf of Holy Mother Church.
Andrew Nelson said…
"May God comfort you. I know moreover that not only this thing saddens you, but also the fact that while others have obtained the churches by violence, you are meanwhile cast out from your places. For they hold the places, but you the Apostolic Faith. They are, it is true, in the places, but outside of the true Faith; while you are outside the places indeed, but the Faith, within you. Let us consider whether is the greater, the place or the Faith. Clearly the true Faith." -- St. Athanasius [https://www.thefredmartinezreport.com/2021/11/vox-cantoris-vs-aqua.html?showComment=1636554341584#c53553284915260947]

Pray an Our Father now for reparation for the sins committed because of Francis's Amoris Laetitia.

Pray an Our Father now for the restoration of the Church as well as the Triumph of the Kingdom of the Sacred Heart and the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

Stop for a moment of silence, ask Jesus Christ what He wants you to do now and next. In this silence remember God, Father, Son and Holy Ghost - Three Divine Persons yet One God, has an ordered universe where you can know truth and falsehood as well as never forget that He wants you to have eternal happiness with Him as his son or daughter by grace. Make this a practice. By doing this you are doing more good than reading anything here or anywhere else on the Internet.

Francis Notes:

- Doctor of the Church St. Francis de Sales totally confirmed beyond any doubt the possibility of a heretical pope and what must be done by the Church in such a situation:

"[T]he Pope... WHEN he is EXPLICITLY a heretic, he falls ipso facto from his dignity and out of the Church, and the Church MUST either deprive him, or, as some say, declare him deprived, of his Apostolic See."
(The Catholic Controversy, by St. Francis de Sales, Pages 305-306)


Saint Robert Bellarmine, also, said "the Pope heretic is not deposed ipso facto, but must be declared deposed by the Church."
[https://archive.org/stream/SilveiraImplicationsOfNewMissaeAndHereticPopes/Silveira%20Implications%20of%20New%20Missae%20and%20Heretic%20Popes_djvu.txt]

- "If Francis is a Heretic, What should Canonically happen to him?": http://www.thecatholicmonitor.com/2020/12/if-francis-is-heretic-what-should.html

- "Could Francis be a Antipope even though the Majority of Cardinals claim he is Pope?": http://www.thecatholicmonitor.com/2019/03/could-francis-be-antipope-even-though.html

 -  LifeSiteNews, "Confusion explodes as Pope Francis throws magisterial weight behind communion for adulterers," December 4, 2017:

The AAS guidelines explicitly allows "sexually active adulterous couples facing 'complex circumstances' to 'access the sacraments of Reconciliation and the Eucharist.'"

-  On February 2018, in Rorate Caeli, Catholic theologian Dr. John Lamont:

"The AAS statement... establishes that Pope Francis in Amoris Laetitia has affirmed propositions that are heretical in the strict sense."

- On December 2, 2017, Bishop Rene Gracida:

"Francis' heterodoxy is now official. He has published his letter to the Argentina bishops in Acta Apostlica Series making those letters magisterial documents."

Pray an Our Father now for the restoration of the Church by the bishops by the grace of God.

Election Notes:  

- Intel Cryptanalyst-Mathematician on Biden Steal: "212Million Registered Voters & 66.2% Voting,140.344 M Voted...Trump got 74 M, that leaves only 66.344 M for Biden" [http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2020/12/intel-cryptanalyst-mathematician-on.html?m=1]

- Will US be Venezuela?: Ex-CIA Official told Epoch Times "Chávez started to Focus on [Smartmatic] Voting Machines to Ensure Victory as early as 2003": http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2020/12/will-us-be-venezuela-ex-cia-official.html

- Tucker Carlson's Conservatism Inc. Biden Steal Betrayal is explained by “One of the Greatest Columns ever Written" according to Rush: http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2021/01/tucker-carlsons-conservatism-inc-biden.html?m=1
 
- A Hour which will Live in Infamy: 10:01pm November 3, 2020:
http://www.thecatholicmonitor.com/2021/01/a-hour-which-will-live-in-infamy-1001pm.html?m=1
 
What is needed right now to save America from those who would destroy our God given rights is to pray at home or in church and if called to even go to outdoor prayer rallies in every town and city across the United States for God to pour out His grace on our country to save us from those who would use a Reichstag Fire-like incident to destroy our civil liberties. [Is the DC Capitol Incident Comparable to the Nazi Reichstag Fire Incident where the German People Lost their Civil Liberties?: http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2021/01/is-dc-capital-incident-comparable-to.html?m=1 and Epoch Times Show Crossroads on Capitol Incident: "Anitfa 'Agent Provocateurs'":
http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2021/01/epoch-times-show-crossroads-on-capital.html?m=1

Pray an Our Father now for the grace to know God's Will and to do it.
 
Pray an Our Father now for America.
 
Pray an Our Father now for the restoration of the Church as well as the Triumph of the Kingdom of the Sacred Heart and the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

Comments

Justina said…
So according to Vox, it is a political statement not to wear a mask at Holy Mass, but it wouldn't be a political statement to try to force people to do so?
Aqua said…
Justina:

An interesting article on the concept of “sanctuary”, in which the Church asserts its Divine authority, over and above secular law.

https://www.history.com/news/church-sanctuary-asylum-middle-ages

Think Quasimodo (the Hunchback) saving Esmeralda from a pursuing, persecuting State authority.

The primary point being - once you cross the threshold between the dominion of State into the Dominion of God, the State has no power there. Inside the line in which is the Holy Temple of God, this belongs to Jesus Christ, King, His holy Priests, the Deposit of Faith and the vast Communion of Angels and Saints.

To give that up and accept that the Church is an adjunct of the State, operating under permission by godless pagan secular authority is a travesty of Divine Justice - a fundamental attack against our foundational rights and duties before God.
Anonymous said…
“In my study of communist societies, I came to the conclusion that the purpose of communist propaganda was not to persuade or convince, not to inform, but to humiliate; and therefore, the less it corresponded to reality the better. When people are forced to remain silent when they are being told the most obvious lies, or even worse when they are forced to repeat the lies themselves, they lose once and for all their sense of probity. To assent to obvious lies is…in some small way to become evil oneself. One’s standing to resist anything is thus eroded, and even destroyed. A society of emasculated liars is easy to control. I think if you examine political correctness, it has the same effect and is intended to.”

― Theodore Dalrymple

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