"A Lefebvre [& Vigano] Moment": Why is it that Defenders of Catholic Tradition can be Excommunicated by Canon Law while Mass Killing Politicians like Pro-Abort Biden and Hitler can't?
You see, brainwashing requires the potential slaves to the State to eventually put away obvious questions like “Why do I need a sign telling me how to wash my hands?” The answer is simple: Positivistic obedience (aka nominalism) demoralizes you into not believing your lying eyes when all the evidence is to the contrary (such as your mother implying to you as a child that you won’t need a sign telling you how to wash your hands when you’re an adult if you listen well to her today.)
So also in the ape of the church, you don’t have to believe what your lying eyes are telling you on who is more Catholic—Francis or Viganò. Rather, now in the ape, excessive authoritarianism rewires subjects to live in fear not only of certain answers—but even certain questions. Neither the nanny-church nor the nanny-state will allow good questions. Why? Because there are no good answers to their arbitrary rules. (Think of how the Four Cardinals’ Dubia was never answered on heretical Amoris Laetitia.)
At this point, who fears being called names like “schismatic”? Perhaps only those same weak conservative Catholics who were afraid of lefty family members a few years ago telling them they would “kill grandma” if they didn’t take the covid gene-therapy made from aborted babies. Hence, only a zombie could reply to a question on Twitter on who is the most Catholic between the two bishops: “Francis, given he’s not just been excommunicated.” That’s apex-level brainwashing at hands of the nanny-church.
Yes, I realize it’s ironic that a traditionalist Catholic is saying the leftists are heavy-handed in demanding blind obedience not to the Gospel but Canon Law. In fact, it’s not canon law that they’re proffering, but their own narcissistic personalities. And that is exactly how Marxism works at the level of the State. Now we see that the Nanny-State has met her religious protagonist in the Nanny-church: The ape tells you to put True Catholicism on the Back Burner and to put Big Brother’s capricious “excommunications” on the Front Burner. Why can a true Catholic be “ex-communicated”?...
...For example, imagine a reply slipped into the Acta Apostolica united to Amoris Laytaytay where the “divorced” and “remarried” (without requiring an annulment or a Josephite living-situation preceded by confession) are permitted to sacrilege both the sacraments of the Eucharist and Marriage, and you must accept this sacrilege under pain of “ex-communication?” - Fr. Dave Nix [https://padreperegrino.org/2024/07/nannychurch/ & Padre Peregrino (Fr. Dave Nix)
A Nanny-Church to Match the Nanny-State]
"As for the use of the 1962 Missal as a 'Forma extraordinaria' of the liturgy of the Mass, I would like to draw attention to the fact that this Missal was never juridically abrogated and, consequently, in principle, was always permitted." - Pope Benedict XVI in LETTER FROM POPE TO BISHOPS ON "SUMMORUM PONTIFICUM" VATICAN CITY, JUL 7, 2007
One thing you could say for the Vatican’s position in 1976 was that there was an uncontestedly legitimate pope who ordered Lefebvre to refrain from the traditional ordination of priests. The same cannot be said for 2022.
Even if Bergoglio were pope, his orders to block the traditional Mass and sacraments are just as invalid, assuming for a moment they were drafted in accordance with the law. His censures are equally invalid should they be issued for a priest, prelate or layman making use of his right to the Mass and Sacraments. Lastly, Bergoglio’s motives are so more obvious in their hatred for the Mass, the Sacraments, the faithful, and Him of Whom he claims to be vicar...
... This is 1976. But really it isn’t. A Lefebvre moment is being forced on us in 2022. it starts in Chicago on February 6. It will occur worldwide by Midsummer. Let us remain faithful to Christ and to His sacraments. Let us respond with at least as much courage as Lefebvre showed in 1976.
This is the reality, whether Bergoglio or Pope Benedict XVI is pope. That question need not divide us nor cause us to waver. The prohibition against the Mass is invalid either way. But I would add this could very well be the perfect time to bring that question to a head for the good of souls. The time has come to acknowledge, and come to the aid of Pope Benedict XVI. That would save the Mass, and so much more. - St. Louis Catholic website said we are presently in "a Lefebvre moment"
In 2019, Canon lawyer Ed Peters was basically saying the new canon law makes it nearly impossible to excommunicate politicians like a Andrew Cuomo, Joe Biden or a Adolf Hitler.
On a more important note: if the new canon law makes it nearly impossible to excommunicate anyone even a Cuomo, Biden or a Hitler, does this mean that Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre and Francis critic Fr. Alessandro Maria Minutella were never excommunicated?
Why is it that defenders of Catholic orthodoxy and tradition can be excommunicated by canon law while mass killing Joe Biden-like politicians like Cuomo and Hitler can't?
But getting back to the first point, Peters in his 2019 excommunication article on Cardinal Timothy Dolan needs presently to more forcefully restate what he said back then on Canon 915 about Cuomo and other pro-abortion politicians like Joe Biden not receiving Communion:
"Canon 915 ... requires... action... alerts an individual about his or her morally gravely dangerous public conduct, to protect the faith community from scandal... Are these not the key goals sought by those calling for ... Cuomo's excommunication?.. why try to purse those goals with a cumbersome penal institute such as excommunication when Canon 915 is sitting in front of us?"
"In short, has not Canon 915's moment, at last, arrived."
(Canon Law Blog, "Canon 915's moment has arrived," January 25, 2018)
Canon 915 says:
Those "who obstinately persist in manifest grave sin, are not to be admitted to Communion."
Spokane Bishop Thomas Daly in 2019 used Canon 915 to declared to pro-abortion politicians that they "should not" receive Communion in his diocese.
I hope that Peters will again as he did in 2019 say forcefully that Dolan should Canon 915 Cuomo and Biden.
Getting back to Archbishop Lefebvre, the St. Louis Catholic website said this is "a Lefebvre moment":
As it turns out, the claim that Lefebvre saved the traditional Mass (which retains its obvious merit) makes way more sense to me now. Not because of 1988. But because of 1976. Wait, 1976, you ask? Let me explain.
The issue involved the ability of a bishop of the Catholic Church being able to ordain priests in an approved Catholic rite of priestly ordination. The traditional Mass had not been abrogated, nor had the rite of priestly ordination. But Pope Paul VI forbade Lefebvre from ordaining the priests in the traditional rite. He didn’t forbid their ordinations, but just the use of the traditional rite of ordination.
Does this sound familiar?
Archbishop Lefebvre judged that he had the right to ordain these priests in the traditional manner. As Pope Benedict confirmed in Summorum Pontificum, he did indeed. But Pope Paul VI declared him and his priests suspended a divinis. Because he judged he was in the right legally and morally, Archbishop Lefebvre continued to ordain traditional priests and always maintained that the suspensions were illegitimate and invalid. It was this action, much more than in 1988, that one can claim that Lefebvre saved the Mass, in a manner of speaking (Our Lord is Sovereign and responsible for all good). He died without knowing whether his position would be vindicated.
You could say that it is 1976 again for traditional societies and institutes previously under the Pontifical Commission Ecclesia Dei. The Vatican has said traditional priestly ordinations are no longer possible. The FSSP, ICRSP and others have lots of vocations and of course have ordinations scheduled this year. And some bishops, like the odious Cardinal Cupich, have forbidden even traditional societies from celebrating the traditional Mass on the first Sunday of every month and on high holy days, beginning February 6. A watershed moment awaits.
One thing you could say for the Vatican’s position in 1976 was that there was an uncontestedly legitimate pope who ordered Lefebvre to refrain from the traditional ordination of priests. The same cannot be said for 2022.
Even if Bergoglio were pope, his orders to block the traditional Mass and sacraments are just as invalid, assuming for a moment they were drafted in accordance with the law. His censures are equally invalid should they be issued for a priest, prelate or layman making use of his right to the Mass and Sacraments. Lastly, Bergoglio’s motives are so more obvious in their hatred for the Mass, the Sacraments, the faithful, and Him of Whom he claims to be vicar.
Fr. Laguerie of the IBP stated it very well that we must simply persevere in our lawful adherence to the traditional Mass and sacraments. That there must be a continuation of everything the traditional societies have been doing already. Father notes what lots of us sense— he hears of none of his confreres who will cave into the unjust forcing of the novus ordo onto traditional priests. The traditional laity have their back and will not betray faithful priests. There is a large traditional community.
We are in the right.
This is 1976. But really it isn’t. A Lefebvre moment is being forced on us in 2022. it starts in Chicago on February 6. It will occur worldwide by Midsummer. Let us remain faithful to Christ and to His sacraments. Let us respond with at least as much courage as Lefebvre showed in 1976.
This is the reality, whether Bergoglio or Pope Benedict XVI is pope. That question need not divide us nor cause us to waver. The prohibition against the Mass is invalid either way. But I would add this could very well be the perfect time to bring that question to a head for the good of souls. The time has come to acknowledge, and come to the aid of Pope Benedict XVI. That would save the Mass, and so much more. [https://stlouiscatholic.wordpress.com/2022/01/22/we-are-approaching-our-lefebvre-moment-but-not-the-one-you-think/]
Pray an Our Father now for reparation for the sins committed because of Francis’s Amoris Laetitia.
Pray an Our Father now for the restoration of the Church as well as the Triumph of the Kingdom of the Sacred Heart and the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
Stop for a moment of silence, ask Jesus Christ what He wants you to do now and next. In this silence remember God, Father, Son and Holy Ghost – Three Divine Persons yet One God, has an ordered universe where you can know truth and falsehood as well as never forget that He wants you to have eternal happiness with Him as his son or daughter by grace. Make this a practice. By doing this you are doing more good than reading anything here or anywhere else on the Internet.
Francis Notes:
– Doctor of the Church St. Francis de Sales totally confirmed beyond any doubt the possibility of a heretical pope and what must be done by the Church in such a situation:
“[T]he Pope… WHEN he is EXPLICITLY a heretic, he falls ipso facto from his dignity and out of the Church, and the Church MUST either deprive him, or, as some say, declare him deprived, of his Apostolic See.”
(The Catholic Controversy, by St. Francis de Sales, Pages 305-306)
Saint Robert Bellarmine, also, said “the Pope heretic is not deposed ipso facto, but must be declared deposed by the Church.”
[https://archive.org/stream/SilveiraImplicationsOfNewMissaeAndHereticPopes/Silveira%20Implications%20of%20New%20Missae%20and%20Heretic%20Popes_djvu.txt]
– “If Francis is a Heretic, What should Canonically happen to him?”: http://www.thecatholicmonitor.com/2020/12/if-francis-is-heretic-what-should.html
– “Could Francis be a Antipope even though the Majority of Cardinals claim he is Pope?”: http://www.thecatholicmonitor.com/2019/03/could-francis-be-antipope-even-though.html
– If Francis betrays Benedict XVI & the”Roman Rite Communities” like he betrayed the Chinese Catholics we must respond like St. Athanasius, the Saintly English Bishop Robert Grosseteste & “Eminent Canonists and Theologians” by “Resist[ing]” him: https://www.thecatholicmonitor.com/2021/12/if-francis-betrays-benedict-xvi.html
– LifeSiteNews, “Confusion explodes as Pope Francis throws magisterial weight behind communion for adulterers,” December 4, 2017:
The AAS guidelines explicitly allows “sexually active adulterous couples facing ‘complex circumstances’ to ‘access the sacraments of Reconciliation and the Eucharist.'”
– On February 2018, in Rorate Caeli, Catholic theologian Dr. John Lamont:
“The AAS statement… establishes that Pope Francis in Amoris Laetitia has affirmed propositions that are heretical in the strict sense.”
– On December 2, 2017, Bishop Rene Gracida:
“Francis’ heterodoxy is now official. He has published his letter to the Argentina bishops in Acta Apostlica Series making those letters magisterial documents.”
Pray an Our Father now for the restoration of the Church by the bishops by the grace of God.
Election Notes:
– Intel Cryptanalyst-Mathematician on Biden Steal: “212Million Registered Voters & 66.2% Voting,140.344 M Voted…Trump got 74 M, that leaves only 66.344 M for Biden” [http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2020/12/intel-cryptanalyst-mathematician-on.html?m=1]
– Will US be Venezuela?: Ex-CIA Official told Epoch Times “Chávez started to Focus on [Smartmatic] Voting Machines to Ensure Victory as early as 2003”: http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2020/12/will-us-be-venezuela-ex-cia-official.html
– Tucker Carlson’s Conservatism Inc. Biden Steal Betrayal is explained by “One of the Greatest Columns ever Written” according to Rush: http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2021/01/tucker-carlsons-conservatism-inc-biden.html?m=1
– A Hour which will Live in Infamy: 10:01pm November 3, 2020:
http://www.thecatholicmonitor.com/2021/01/a-hour-which-will-live-in-infamy-1001pm.html?m=1
What is needed right now to save America from those who would destroy our God given rights is to pray at home or in church and if called to even go to outdoor prayer rallies in every town and city across the United States for God to pour out His grace on our country to save us from those who would use a Reichstag Fire-like incident to destroy our civil liberties. [Is the DC Capitol Incident Comparable to the Nazi Reichstag Fire Incident where the German People Lost their Civil Liberties?: http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2021/01/is-dc-capital-incident-comparable-to.html?m=1 and Epoch Times Show Crossroads on Capitol Incident: “Anitfa ‘Agent Provocateurs‘”:
http://catholicmonitor.blogspot.com/2021/01/epoch-times-show-crossroads-on-capital.html?m=1]
Pray an Our Father now for the grace to know God’s Will and to do it.
Pray an Our Father now for America.
Pray an Our Father now for the restoration of the Church as well as the Triumph of the Kingdom of the Sacred Heart and the Immaculate Heart of Mary.
Comments
This affirmation lacks the importance of the good of souls for the following reason to be raised about the legitimacy of the Supreme Pontiff, as the Church always says.
And if a person says that it doesn't matter what is true or not, then that person will fall into relativism.This is an indifferentism at the heart of the issue that it would be important to abandon.
Because the Catholic affirms that no matter who the Pope is, he will participate in a celebration of a traditional Mass as if it were his idol, regardless of how harmful such an act is. And this is an attitude that is revealed, simply, passionate that will despise an issue such as "una cum", for example, or another relevant fact.
The Catholic faith is linked to objective truth, with premises connected to each other, in its doctrine and norms, showing cohesion; But the Catholic acting otherwise demonstrates the real danger to his soul: sooner or later, he will fall into a relativistic faith that will lose the faith.
We know that the visible Catholic Church is that "Ubi Petrus, ibi Ecclesia catholica"; and the catechism of the Church says: "The Pope, Bishop of Rome, and successor of Saint Peter, 'is the perpetual and visible principle and foundation of the unity of both the Bishops and the multitude of the faithful'" (882).
Thus a Catholic liturgy in the "Vetus Ordo" must obey, according to the "Ecclesia da Eucharistia", in this regard:
"The ecclesial communion of the Eucharistic assembly is communion with the Bishop himself and with the Roman Pontiff. In fact, the Bishop is the visible principle and foundation of unity in his particular Church. It would therefore be a great incongruity to celebrate the sacrament par excellence of the unity of the Church without true communion with the Bishop. St. Ignatius of Antioch wrote: "Only that Eucharist which is presided over by the Bishop or by the one he has entrusted is to be considered legitimate." In the same way, since "the Roman Pontiff, as the successor of Peter, is the perpetual and visible foundation of the unity not only of the Bishops but also of the multitude of the faithful", communion with him is an intrinsic requirement of the celebration of the Eucharistic Sacrifice. This great truth is expressed in various ways by the Liturgy: "Every Eucharistic celebration is carried out in union not only with the Bishop himself but also with the Pope, with the Episcopal Order, with all the clergy and with all the people. Every valid celebration of the Eucharist expresses this universal communion with Peter and with the whole Church or, as in the case of the Christian Churches separated from Rome, objectively demands it'".
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It is important to expound this whole paragraph (the second, Article 40) on the question of the celebration of the Mass, and to emphasize that there is validity in the Mass only in communion with Peter, that is, with a legitimate Roman Pontiff, according to this teaching of the Church.
For this reason there is a need for the legitimacy of the pope-elect, according to the Code of Law of 1983 (322), so that he may exercise supreme power in the Church over the other faithful so that there can be authentic communion.
Further on, this Code says (335):
"During the vacancy or total impediment of the Roman See, nothing is to be innovated in the government of the universal Church; the special laws formulated for such circumstances are to be observed".
This is what "Universe Domini Grecis" says, articles 76 and 77, which many Catholics despise or do not deeply understand. Because with the fact that Benedict XVI did not abdicate to the Munus Petrino, which cannot be separated in the Ministry, to reveal a blocked seat whose normal acts of an illegitimate power become invalid. "
The fact is that many Catholics are in communion with an antipope, that is, a schismatic head of a schismatic Church, even if it is in liturgies celebrated in the Vetus Ordo", or not.