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Flashback: Does the Francis/Soros Deep Church & Deep State want to "Eradicate" Vigano & Trump?

The American Spectator reported that "The Deep Church [is] Against Viganò... They find him guilty of being Catholic":

In Archbishop Carlo Maria Viganò’s recent letter to Donald Trump, he writes, “just as there is a deep state, there is also a deep church that betrays its duties and forswears its proper commitments before God.”

Naturally, the deep church resented the letter. But it particularly didn’t like that Trump tweeted about it, saying, “So honored by Archbishop Viganò’s letter to me. I hope everyone, religious or not, reads it!”

 An imagined deep church? How dare Viganò notice that an entrenched bureaucracy of clerics opposed to Catholic teaching exists in the Church. 

Members of the deep church quickly moved into action, pooh-poohing the significance of Viganò and seeking to discredit him. The vanguard of the deep church, the Jesuits, led the charge. They used their magazine, America, to remind people that the former papal nuncio to the U.S. — brace yourselves — adheres to Catholic teaching on marriage and other matters. This, in their estimation, makes him “outside the mainstream” of “global Catholicism.”

Michael O’Laughlin of America writes, “The archbishop’s tenure in the United States was largely uncontroversial, but a new book by the Vatican reporter Christopher Lamb about Pope Francis, The Outsider, claims that during his time in Washington, Archbishop Viganò ‘aligned himself with culture warriors and anti-Francis supporters.’ ”

The Remnant revealed America Magazine might be a "globalist establishment" propaganda operation:

" [The] globalist establishment... Murray, SJ, push[ed] liberalism at the Second Vatican Council with documents such as Dignitatis Humanae as well as a slew of publications... One of the major outlets through which... Murray pushed his Americanism [heresy] was... America [now edited by Francis appointed consultor to the Vatican's Secretariat for Communications Fr. James Martin]."
(The Remnant, John Podesta's Catholic Spring Part IV: America Magazine LeftCat Kitty Litter or Deep State Propaganda?". February 29, 2019)

Reportedly, America Magazine writer Fr. John Courtney Murray was a CIA operative:

"Murray and his crowd of CIA operatives and TIME Magazine won the day, helping American Catholics buy into the proposition of the separation of Church and State and calling it 'religious liberty.'"
(Church Militant, "The Vortex - The CIA's Priest," November 11, 2015) []

Moreover, former FBI consultant and journalist Paul Williams, PhD, in his 2015 book on the CIA and the Vatican wrote of  "concerns that the CIA manipulated the [papal] election" of Francis:

"On March 13, 2013, Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio ascended to the throne of St. Peter as Pope Francis I. The nagging questions about his background may never receive a satisfactory answer. Nor will concerns that the CIA manipulated the [papal] election as it had in the past with Juan Peron. Argentine journalists and scholars with insight into the Agency's [the CIA's] activities in their country have labeled Bergoglio 'Washington's Pope.'"
(Operation Gladio: The Unholy Alliance between The Vatican, The CIA and The Mafia, Page 126)

The former FBI consultant apparently is claiming that his Argentine sources with "insight" into the American Deep State in their country are labeling:

Francis as the CIA's Pope.

If this is true then the Deep State picked the right man because Francis appears to have as much enmity and hostility for President Donald Trump and his conservative policies as they do.

Furthermore, it seems apparent that the corporate media, such The New York Times, Reuter and others, are attempting to ruin Archbishop Vigano who is a whistleblower against the Francis Vatican homosexual network and sex abuse cover-ups.

People are starting to wake up to the fact that the corporate media is controlled by the Deep State.

The United Kingdom magazine Christian Order in its latest exposé on the "complex corporate/financial/political" Deep State said:

"Occasionally, media scrutiny and/or public prosecution of global criminal scams... provide a glimpse like the Bank of Credit and Commerce International during the 1970s/80s and currently the Clinton Foundation... the first-tier all hold so much dirt on each other that mutual protection and continuing is assured."

"As for whistle-blowers, the lower-level variety are either bought off, blackmailed, ruined, or murdered with impunity. Exposure and defiance at the highest levels by uncontrollable presidential forces like JFK, Donald Trump and Vladimir Putin, on the other hand, sometimes leads to assassination (JFK) but more usually is handled by a controlled press."

"President Putin's complaint at the recent Helsinki summit of a massive swindle involving the transfer of $400 million... to Hillary Clinton's election campaign, for example, was either totally ignored, or mentioned but not pursued... [as was] Putin's further pointed reference to the transnational conniving of Hillary's nefarious backer, George Soros."(Christian Order, "Deep State Armageddon," August/September 2018)

Everyone who has read or seen on YouTube internationally respected investigator and attorney Elizabeth Yore's detailed research knows Francis's Vatican is in bed or in alliance with the Deep State and Soros. Yore revealed:

"George Soros operatives are embedded in the Vatican. They have drafted Vatican documents that set up the Soros agenda which mirrors the Francis agenda." (YouTube, "An Unholy Alliance: the UN, Soros, and the Francis Papacy," February 21, 2017)

The Christian Order article, moreover, shows that the Soros/Clinton Deep State doesn't just have the "controlled press" working for them, but the intelligence agencies:

"As George Neumayr commented... 'Obama via Brennan, did the equivalent for Hillary'... namely, by turning CIA HQ at Langley, Virginia, into the Clinton War Room..."

"... For [Trump] his tenure is a providential opportunity to face down the Washington vermin; to thwart their occult designs. So let us pray that he [Trump] traps and eradicates them before they trap and eradicate him - or it's criminal game, globalist set, and godless match to the dirty rats."

Please pray that God protect President Trump and Archbishop Vigano because they are both fighting against cornered and often deadly enemies.


Here is a question I ask to assist anyone who is suffering from group think.

If Trump is against the deep state, why did he not clean it out?
If Trump is against the Covid hoax and for Making America Great Again, why did he destroy the US economy with a lockdown_
If Trump is against Gates, why did he move 1.8 billion from WHO to Gavi?

And finally, if Trump did do all these things, why do you think his retweet of Vigano's letter means that both of them are not working for the deep state?

Try to be rational in your responses, and not lash out. Because to lash out is a sign you suffer from group think.
Are you saying in your theory that President Trump and Archbishop Vigano are working for the deep state?

According to your theory, was Archbishop Vigano working for the Obama deep state when he was working for Pope Benedict XVI?

According to the your theory, was Pope Benedict also working for the deep state?

By not answering my questions, you conceded the argument.

But I will answer yours.

As to the first question, the answers to my questions give indications not proofs.
As to the second question, you presuppose that a human being is like an atomic particle which only operates under one law and never changes. Seeing that that is your presupposition, I ask why do you think Vigano is like an electron in Trumps atomic orbit?

As to your third question, it is based on several fallacies, first, that all whom a Pope nominates, are his allies. You know well that that is not true, so why employ that principle to slur mud at the Pope. So on that basis I have to ask you,Why do you feel impelled to attack the Holy Father, so as to defend Trump and Vigano?

I think your response shows an inability to reply to my questions with rational answers. Break free from group think, face reality, admit the truth, and then act as a Catholic. That is my advice to all, on every topic.
I answered all your questions. But perhaps my succinct way of writing is not comprehensible. So please tell me which question you want a more full answer to?

Also, thank you for conceding the argument.
As I said, I answered all your questions, but you never answered any of mine.

Do you read your own blog, you can find my answers there.
I think it is counterproductive to label the post as “groupthink”. That is what the left does with everything which it differs. So if the point being made is groupthink then it is by definition, misinformation, so then there is no further need for discussion.
Justina said…
Dear Brother, have you considered that there may be more than two possible worldviews: groupthink, or your own?
Fred Martinez said…
Thanks Justina. That was the best laugh I had all day. I'm still laughing as I write this.
Anonymous said…
I think it is uncharitable to label this post a 'groupthink'.
If all a pope appoints are not his allies, why don't we extend the same reasoning to a president?
If we argue that Trump didn't 'clean it(deep state) out',why don't we extend the same blame to the Church?
It seems to me that some tumours are not easily operable.
Fr. VF said…
"If Trump is against the deep state, why did he not clean it out?"

It has taken almost four years to get honest judges and other officials into place. Also, one of Trump's main strategies is to permit evildoers to continue to commit crimes--while being surveilled. Trump also knows that many more of the general public need to wake up before large numbers of "respectable" people (Bushes, Clintons, Soetoros) are arrested.

"If Trump is against the Covid hoax and for Making America Great Again, why did he destroy the US economy with a lockdown."

Trump respects our federalist system. Trump has shut down NOTHING, except travel to and from China and Western Europe. The shutting down of the American economy is 100% the work of the governors and mayors. Again, millions of people have been awakened by the vicious behavior of their Marxist governors and mayors, in contrast to patriotic governors and mayors. The general population almost universally understand that Andrew Cuomo (Satanist-NY) murdered about 6,000 people in New York nursing homes. Three other Satanist governors did the same thing to their people.

"If Trump is against Gates, why did he move 1.8 billion from WHO to Gavi?"

Define "against Gates." Is Trump taking Gates's advice? Is Trump treating Gates like a leper? Something in between? One thing is definitely happening: Word is spreading on social media that Gates is a "friend of Jeffrey" and a pedo. I think it's reasonable to expect that Gates will not be riding very high by 2025.
Anonymous said…

Thank you for the charity and maturity to respond to my questions.

As regards your first response, you seem to be saying that Trump lacks so much fortitude that he intentionally allows crooks to prey on America and Americans, until he can build enough political support to act against them without losing points in a poll, even though he has the authority act against them. Is that your argument?

As regards your second response, I think you fail to remember his Guidelines for shutting down a whole host of things. Yes, that is not a command, but the counsel of a president is what unleashed the lockdown. So he is morally responsible 100%

As regards your third response, you dogged that ball cleverly, but, you know, a sophistic argument is visible to all for what it is.

So far the responses in these comments demonstrate that you are all very shocked by the reality and are still in denial.

I am praying for you so that you really start supporting a Make American Great Again Policy, and not just a Vote Me In Again because I am a great MAGA actor.
Jonah said…
Br. Bugnolo,

What you refer to as "group think" is far more insidious and debilitating than your term denotes. The American people and their vassals have been subjected to a mind-destroying campaign of social control that only the grace of God can free them from:
Fred Martinez said…

Can you expand on why Br. Bugnolo and you agreed with E. Michael Jones' Culture Wars magazine pro-Islamic and anti-Traditional Latin Mass theories?

Pray an Our Father now for reparation for the sins committed because of Francis’s Amoris Laetitia.

Pray an Our Father now for the restoration of the Church as well as the Triumph of the Kingdom of the Sacred Heart and the Immaculate Heart of Mary.

Stop for a moment of silence, ask Jesus Christ what He wants you to do now and next. In this silence remember God, Father, Son and Holy Ghost – Three Divine Persons yet One God, has an ordered universe where you can know truth and falsehood as well as never forget that He wants you to have eternal happiness with Him as his son or daughter by grace. Make this a practice. By doing this you are doing more good than reading anything here or anywhere else on the Internet.

Francis Notes:

– Doctor of the Church St. Francis de Sales totally confirmed beyond any doubt the possibility of a heretical pope and what must be done by the Church in such a situation:

“[T]he Pope… WHEN he is EXPLICITLY a heretic, he falls ipso facto from his dignity and out of the Church, and the Church MUST either deprive him, or, as some say, declare him deprived, of his Apostolic See.”
(The Catholic Controversy, by St. Francis de Sales, Pages 305-306)

Saint Robert Bellarmine, also, said “the Pope heretic is not deposed ipso facto, but must be declared deposed by the Church.”

– “If Francis is a Heretic, What should Canonically happen to him?”:

– “Could Francis be a Antipope even though the Majority of Cardinals claim he is Pope?”:

– If Francis betrays Benedict XVI & the”Roman Rite Communities” like he betrayed the Chinese Catholics we must respond like St. Athanasius, the Saintly English Bishop Robert Grosseteste & “Eminent Canonists and Theologians” by “Resist[ing]” him: 

 –  LifeSiteNews, “Confusion explodes as Pope Francis throws magisterial weight behind communion for adulterers,” December 4, 2017:

The AAS guidelines explicitly allows “sexually active adulterous couples facing ‘complex circumstances’ to ‘access the sacraments of Reconciliation and the Eucharist.'”

–  On February 2018, in Rorate Caeli, Catholic theologian Dr. John Lamont:

“The AAS statement… establishes that Pope Francis in Amoris Laetitia has affirmed propositions that are heretical in the strict sense.”

– On December 2, 2017, Bishop Rene Gracida:

“Francis’ heterodoxy is now official. He has published his letter to the Argentina bishops in Acta Apostlica Series making those letters magisterial documents.”

Pray an Our Father now for the restoration of the Church by the bishops by the grace of God.

Election Notes: 

– Intel Cryptanalyst-Mathematician on Biden Steal: “212Million Registered Voters & 66.2% Voting,140.344 M Voted…Trump got 74 M, that leaves only 66.344 M for Biden” []

– Will US be Venezuela?: Ex-CIA Official told Epoch Times “Chávez started to Focus on [Smartmatic] Voting Machines to Ensure Victory as early as 2003”:

– Tucker Carlson’s Conservatism Inc. Biden Steal Betrayal is explained by “One of the Greatest Columns ever Written” according to Rush:

– A Hour which will Live in Infamy: 10:01pm November 3, 2020:

What is needed right now to save America from those who would destroy our God given rights is to pray at home or in church and if called to even go to outdoor prayer rallies in every town and city across the United States for God to pour out His grace on our country to save us from those who would use a Reichstag Fire-like incident to destroy our civil liberties. [Is the DC Capitol Incident Comparable to the Nazi Reichstag Fire Incident where the German People Lost their Civil Liberties? and Epoch Times Show Crossroads on Capitol Incident: “Anitfa ‘Agent Provocateurs‘”:

Pray an Our Father now for the grace to know God’s Will and to do it.

Pray an Our Father now for America.

Pray an Our Father now for the restoration of the Church as well as the Triumph of the Kingdom of the Sacred Heart and the Immaculate Heart of Mary.


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